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From: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
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Subject: Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?
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IDentity <identity@invalid.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:42:53 +0100, Martin Harran
> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >It seems to have been first formally stated by Heisenberg in 1958 his
> >book "The Physicist's Conception of Nature" but I would have thought
> >that it would have been noted earlier than that.
> >
> >The reason I'm asking is that Teilhard de Chardin effectively
> >describes it in his foreword to 'The Phenomenon of Man' - "Object and
> >subject marry and mutually transform each other in the act of
> >knowledge; and from now on man willy-nilly finds his own image stamped
> >on all he looks at."
> >
> >Teilhard wrote that somewhere in the last 1920s/early 30s which more
> >or less coincides with the early days of QM. I'm wondering if Teilhard
> >was reflecting what those involved in QM were already talking about or
> >whether he arrived at this under his own steam.
> 
> The old Chinese sages knew all this stuff thousands of years ago. They
> understood that to understand the world, you must first understand
> yourself - your mind.  
> 
> Like Jung said:  "Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside
> awakens."     
> 
> External reality is a dream dreamed by the mind, and to wake up you
> must realize that you are the dreamer.
> 
> Niels Bohr was a deep admirer of TAOism and probaby got many of
> scientific his ideas from here.  He didn't get far enough in his
> understanding though to realize that TAO represents the fundamental
> principle of the GUT science is still looking for.  

Sure. Please introspect the value of \alpha for us,

Jan

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"Aber warum 137?"           (Wolfgang Pauli)