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Subject: Re: Pseudoscience III: Each SR/GR experiment is a FRAUD!
From: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Reply-To: jjlxa31@xs4all.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2024 10:58:24 +0200
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rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 21:37:55 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> 
> > rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Either being a physical or a thought experiment, since around 1910 every
> >> experiment to prove or explain relativity is either blatantly stupid or
> >> is a fraud, based on deceptive narratives, data hacking and statistical
> >> manipulation plus complicity of the members of such despicable cult.
> >
> > For the innocent kiddies who might have strayed in here:
> > Relativity, both special and general theory,
> > is long past the stage where demonstration experiments are relevant.
> >
> > Like with any mature science,
> > much of it has passed into everyday engineering.
> > Much engineering requires high accuracies nowadays,
> > and to achieve these accuracies
> > relativistic corrections need to be taken into account.
> >
> > Information networks are synchronised, satnav just works,
> > power grids can remain synchronised over continents,
> > shares are bought and sold in microseconds,
> > accelerators accelerate, star positions are measured
> > to micro-arcseconds, space probes get routinely navigated
> > through the whole solar system, and so on, and so on.
> > All of this would not be possible
> > without correctly taking relativistic time into acount.
> >
> > So, just ignore the noises, except for amusement,
> >
> > Jan
> 
> *************************************************************
> Your patent ignorance and your level of indoctrination on relativity are
> shocking. Even more than that, are DISGUSTING in extreme levels.
> 
> Typical of a die hard relativist is to attribute every scientific
> advance in physics and engineering to relativity. It can be taken well
> among the members of your cult but, for critics of relativity such
> actions generates laugh and, even more, a LOT OF PITY when contemplating
> how ruined its judgment is.


> EVERY SINGLE COMMENT YOU MADE, FALSELY ATTRIBUTING TO RELATIVITY
> ADVANCES IN SCIENCE, MAKES ME FEEL BAD FOR YOU AND YOUR IGNORANCE.
> 
> 1) Information networks are synchronised.
> 
> Information networks run over DIGITAL HIGHWAYS based on fiber optics,
> photonics and atomic clocks, which are the Level 1 of global information
> networks. Software for routing and information run SEVERAL LAYERS ABOVE.
> Digital communications progress IS UNRELATED TO RELATIVITY.

Time division multiplexing requires accurate synchronisation.

> 2) satnav just works.
> 
> Current GNSS are just an evolutionary step over different techniques
> from the last 70 years. The impact of relativity on these networks IS
> JUST A RELATIVISTIC MYTH.

OK, in denial.

> 3) power grids can remain synchronised over continents.
> 
> This is, ESSENTIALLY, due to every single country institution in charge
> of keeping time with respect to BIPM, obtaining a sync level of +/- 10
> nsec worldwide. This has been achieved thanks to 1) and GNSS, for
> distribution of signaling info, at the lowest level of processing.
> 
> https://www.bipm.org/en/
> 
> NO RELATIVITY ROLE HERE.

The BIPM is tasked with maintaining TAI/UTC.
All timekeeping depends on it.
Relativistic correction have been taken into account in establishing it
for the past 50 years.
 
> 4) shares are bought and sold in microseconds.
> 
> Same as above (3). Computer networks are synchronized thousand of times
> less tightly than digital communication networks, because SOFTWARE is a
> random process with random delays, which is not the case of digital
> networks (Level 1). Just the use of routers introduces the first layer
> of random delays. Software (Level 4+) introduces MORE random delays.
> With PROPER ALGORITHMS, sync can be established at microsec levels.
> 
> NO RELATIVITY ROLE HERE.

It can't run without the underlying network synchronisation.

> 5) accelerators accelerate.
> 
> ?????????

Go visit CERN. Ask them why their ring needs to be 30 kilometer wide.

> 6) star positions are measured to micro-arcseconds.
> 
> NO RELATIVITY ROLE HERE.

The atomic clock in GAIA needs to be kept track of
to know where it is pointing.

> https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Gaia
> 
> https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Gaia/How_does_Gaia_study
_the_Milky_Way

Not a word there about -how- GAIA does this measuring to that accuracy.
Look it up.

> 7) space probes get routinely navigated through the whole solar system.
> 
> ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

In denial again. Look up the Cassini mission for example,
or the Parker solar probe.
You really need all that accuracy to get those successive
planetary swings (aka gravity assists) just right.
(hint: each swing greatly amplifies any initial error)

> NO RELATIVITY ROLE HERE.
> 
> 
> NEWTON RULES EVERYWHERE ON SPATIAL NAVIGATION.

Not merely denial, this is complete ignorance.
Look up TCB for example. (Temps Coordonnée Barycentrique)
The relativistic corrections to it amount to half a second/year,
in range of a very good quartz wrist watch,

Jan