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From: Thomas Alexandre <none@no.invalid>
Subject: Re: Multiple abuses from i2pn2.
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Le Sat, 19 Oct 2024 15:45:32 +0000, Retro Guy a écrit :
 
> Followup-To is required for more than 2 groups in fr.*

Then how did your server allow the following message without any Follow-
up ?

From: Père Sonnes <pere.sonnes@meta-science.fr>
Newsgroups: fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.religion,fr.sci.philo
Message-ID: <e7bd06e52d3ada15df6f96d160783c4e8671f5a9@i2pn2.org>

It's not the only one.

> I also see earlier in this thread, "he crossposted to 8 forums", which
> can not be done on i2pn2 so it must have been a different server. i2pn2
> limits posting to a max of 6 groups.

As far as I remember, yes it was from a different server (and "Père Sonnes" 
was banned from it).

> In addition to the above, i2pn2 limits number of posts per hour for all
> users, and for my web interfaces that feed through i2pn2, the limit is
> even more restricted.

That's great - and I really mean it.

> These are all attempts to limit the amount of abuse that can happen on
> my servers, and so far it seems to work well. As I find holes in the
> filtering, I'll try to fix it. But I will not restrict ideas and
> opinions. I have users that post things I strongly disagree with, but I
> don't not prohibit them from expressing these views.

It's not a matter of ideas or opinions.

First it's a matter of technical abuse on the fr hierarchy. You cleary 
answered that your server forbid xpost to 2+ groups without fu2 (as you 
stated above). I guess the MID I mentioned was before you enforce 
filtering.

Second, and this one is tricky, there are ground rules on fr. Xposting to 
fr.soc.politique (where I can assure you that free speech is totaly alive) 
is considered as an abuse. Posting off topic *on a regular basis* is also 
considered an abuse. It's NOT a matter of opinion, it's just a matter of 
being on topic.

Nobody can claim that those ground rules are free speech related. I'm 
perfectly aware that Europe and US have very different points of view on 
this but the fact is : you can express any idea on any group on fr *as long 
as you are on topic*.

And the regulations in *my* country (France - that forbid me, by law, to 
express a few ideas) are **irrelevant** for this matter.

-- 
"Ce qu'il faut au fond pour obtenir une espèce de paix avec les hommes,
(...) c'est leur permettre en toutes circonstances, de s'étaler, de se
vautrer parmi les vantardises niaises. Il n'y a pas de vanité
intelligente. C'est un instinct." - Céline