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Path: ...!news-out.netnews.com!postmaster.netnews.com!us1.netnews.com!not-for-mail X-Trace: DXC=0NQ?\dC=b`mQmXLb:2Rl8bU5[F2hIijDo7J470dMQQ7kAUDUcSnb?@iE_MTfRQdZnm@HGb8P>B>ncH<9M^<:mc\nUh:ZAVm]2id1NI1l8fb?fnXlnNGcjcaFd X-Complaints-To: support@frugalusenet.com Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:25:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: AF Osc AGC alternatives to lamp/thermistor/FET Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design References: <vf2vp7$e446$1@dont-email.me> <4k8ahjdivttskhs7c3nlgtao60irbk5fsi@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US From: bitrex <user@example.net> In-Reply-To: <4k8ahjdivttskhs7c3nlgtao60irbk5fsi@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Message-ID: <67154b03$2$1780$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 X-Trace: 1729448707 reader.netnews.com 1780 127.0.0.1:54685 Bytes: 2073 On 10/20/2024 11:38 AM, john larkin wrote: > On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:15:19 +0100, piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> Yesterday in the thread "Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators" I >> posted a LT Spice wirelist showing amplitude levelling without fet, ntc >> thermistor or ptc filament instead using current steering long tail pair >> - kinda poor mans multiplier. >> >> Here is another alternative, using diode conductance bridge "variolosser". >> >> For the full 1960s vibe replace U2 U3 with bjt current sources. > > That's still limiting a Wein bridge, essentially a single-element > resonator. > > If you do the double-integrator type oscillator, you can do gain > control on the first integrator, and then the second one adds 6 > dB/octave harmonic reduction. > > I think you can even get 12 dB/octave harmonic reduction if you do the > amplitude limiter right. 12*3 = 36! > > There's probably a way to finagle the 4th section of an LM13700 to apply a bias current inversely proportional to the output level into pin IB1, here: <https://imgur.com/a/xRVx2PC>