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Subject: Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?  When: A. He admitted having little math
From: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Reply-To: jjlxa31@xs4all.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 11:42:14 +0100
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LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 8:16:21 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> 
> > rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:06:47 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>
> >>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:50:23 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When:
> >>>>>> A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean
> >>>>>> geometry.
> >>>>>> B. He always relied on someone else to do his math.
> >>>>>> C. He denied getting it from Hilbert.
> >>>>>> D. He never said who he got it from.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Answer:
> >>>>>> He stole them from Hilbert.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hilbert disagreed,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jan
> >>>> Here are two other versions of the quote;
> >>>>
> >>>> "Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
> >>>> Einstein. But the equations are his."
> >>>>
> >>>>  "Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
> >>>> four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
> >>>> did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
> >>>>
> >>>> There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
> >>>> that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
> >>>> could not.
> >>>
> >>> That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
> >>> Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
> >>> for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
> >>> despite their superior technical skills.
> >>> Hilbert goes on to state that:
> >>> In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
> >>>
> >>> You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
> >>> ====
> >>> On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
> >>> corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
> >>> (So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
> >>> mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
> >>> personally)
> >>> ====
> >>>
> >>> Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
> >>> if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
> >>> who had just stolen his results.
> >>>
> >>> You had better forget about all this.
> >>> You are wrong about it, period.
> >>>
> >>> Jan
> >>
> >> Stop talking idiocies,
> >
> > [snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
> >
> > Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
> >
> > Jan

> Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
> was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
> deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.

Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
and what he intended.
He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.

BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
"If only I could calculate like you..."

Jan