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Path: ...!news-out.netnews.com!postmaster.netnews.com!eu1.netnews.com!not-for-mail X-Trace: DXC=JL2YaC]7:H9\JlCGmSN^@3HWonT5<]0T=djI?Uho:Xe;Leo?9o4lXd1XKMDIj;S;>7[el]69E]Kb:j4VaB`F<oe8=mk><kNCkG?RRj8?7QCgS8 X-Complaints-To: support@blocknews.net From: Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: history of Edge dirty tricks Newsgroups: comp.misc Date: 12 Jan 2025 04:24:00 GMT Lines: 40 Message-ID: <678343e0$14$14$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 X-Trace: 1736655840 reader.netnews.com 14 127.0.0.1:49073 Bytes: 3240 From the «all's fair in love and browsers» department: Title: Microsoft’s Recent History of Dirty Tricks With Edge Author: John Gruber Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2025 16:34:27 +0000 Link: https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/28/23702274/microsoft-edge-developer-bing-ai-chatbot-advertisement-google-bard Following up on yesterday’s item regarding Bing masquerading as Google[1] to trick Edge users into searching with it, this Mastodon post from Timo Tijhof[2] lists a few other such subterfuge tactics they’ve pulled recently. My favorite was this one[3] from last year: when users opened a tab for “bard.google.com”, Edge inserted an ad in the tab barencouraging the user to “Compare answers with the AI-powered new Bing”[3]. Ads in the tab bar, jeebus. There’s also a longstanding practice where if you search for “Chrome” or “Chrome download”, Edge shows a special pop-up[4] encouraging you to stick with it rather than switch. Google pulls a similar thing, using popups across its web properties to encourage users of other browsers — perhaps especially Safari[5] , unsurprisingly, considering how much money they pay Apple each year[6] — to switch to Chrome, often with the implication that Google recommends switching for security reasons, not financial ones. As a comparison, the best search engine in the world, Kagi[7], is so scrupulous that they don’t screw with the order of the results for the search term “Orion”[8] , even though that’s the name of their own web browser[9]. (If you missed it over the holidays, I had a great interview with Kagi founder Vlad Prelovac on The Talk Show[10] last month.) ★ [11] Links: [1]: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/01/08/bing-google-masquerade (link) [2]: https://fosstodon.org/@krinkle/113795844747185778 (link) [3]: https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/28/23702274/microsoft-edge-developer-bing-ai-chatbot-advertisement-google-bard (link) [4]: https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/2/22813733/microsoft-windows-edge-download-chrome-prompts (link) [5]: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7746732?sortBy=rank (link) [6]: https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-seeks-defend-googles-billion-dollar-payments-search-case-2024-12-24/ (link) [7]: https://kagi.com/ (link) [8]: https://daringfireball.net/misc/2025/01/orion-kagi-search-results-2025-01-09.pdf (link) [9]: https://kagi.com/orion/ (link) [10]: https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2024/12/24/ep-416 (link) [11]: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/01/09/microsofts-recent-history-of-dirty-tricks-with-edge (link)