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On 1/19/2025 7:53 PM, john larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 19:37:10 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/19/2025 5:18 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 16:36:08 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2025 4:49 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> The proposition that radiant heat generated by one burning would set off
>>>>>> an adjacent house is pretty dumb. Fire codes are written to make sure
>>>>>> that houses aren't vulnerable in that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> In that case, what spread the fire?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Embers can fly up to 20 km depending on fuel and weather conditions, and
>>>> during high winds fire breaks are useless.
>>>>
>>>> Observe embers from this doorbell cam:
>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/abc7marccr/reel/DEny6FGSX1f/>
>>>
>>> I don't doubt embers could have spread the original fires. What's
>>> puzzling is how the hell could they have got massive and out of
>>> control in the first place.
>>
>>
>> 2024 was globally the hottest year on record,
> 
> Maybe because we have thousands of times more sensors than we had in
> previous millenia.
> 
> But an increase of a maybe a hundred milliKelvins does not explain the
> LA fires.

The word "Pasadena" means "valley" in Ojibwe, the nearest Ojibwe lived 
somewhere around Minnesota in the 1800s. it was chosen by white settlers 
from Indiana.

Other than its relatively mild climate the area was probably not 
super-duper ideal for large-scale human habitation, experiencing 
windstorms droughts and fires pretty regularly. It's not strictly desert 
but it's close.

Sort of the 1800s CA equivalent of selling Florida swampland but capital 
does as capital does.


> and Los Angeles
>> experienced its warmest summer ever, following a decade of record heat.
>> It's mitigated somewhat when the winter rains show up this year they
>> didn't show up.
>>
>> The hills above Altadena/Pasadena have had lots of burns controlled and
>> otherwise in recent years but after a certain percentage of the larger
>> trees are gone (from climate change or logging/development or otherwise)
>> they controlled burns don't do shit except let even more flammable
>> invasive species in. The hills up there were covered in foxtail:
>>
>> <https://californiaagnet.com/2021/04/20/the-many-faces-of-foxtails/>
>>
>> the stuff burns like newsprint
> 
> It takes really stupidity to let a house to be burned up by a grass
> fire.
> 

The Santa Ana winds make conditions more like a fire hurricane, unless 
the buildings are made of fireproof materials what are you gonna do, 
spray every burning ember that the wind carries?