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On 3/25/2025 1:20 PM, Don Y wrote:
> On 3/25/2025 9:12 AM, bitrex wrote:
>> On 3/25/2025 11:24 AM, Don Y wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2025 7:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
>>>> So just build houses for the homeless and then they won't be 
>>>> homeless anymore, 
>>>
>>> No.  There will *still* be homeless people, regardless of the level of
>>> support that you provide.
>>
>> Sure, there are no perfect solutions. So what.
> 
> *Expecting* it to be solvable by "mere handwaving" is naive.
> Like the example I gave of the organization, here, that hands
> *checks* to homeless youth.
> 
> All THAT does is enable them to engage in the same behaviors
> that have kept them from "settling down" and overcoming their
> current issues.

Treating adults like naughty grade school children and trying to modify 
their behaviors using the methods parents (sometimes with some success, 
at least at that stage of development) use to modify the behaviors of 
their naughty schoolchildren tends to be ineffective, what a lot of them 
needed was tough love at age 8 rather than the capricious and 
dysfunctional parents they actually got.

But the state's usual fashion of tough love tends to get to most of 
these citizens far too late.

My folks were more dysfunctional and capricious than many but not as bad 
as some and I had some other more positive influences, so I got a 
fighting chance. Other members of "the wrong crowd" I knew back in the 
day didn't get as fighting a chance and I visit their graves sometimes.

> Many also suffer from mental illnesses.  Neither "problem" has quick,
> easy cures.  Throwing staff and money at it isn't likely going to
> achieve any positive results -- except for the exceptional cases
> that manage to pull their shit together AND leave the lifestyle
> that had *put* them in that situation.
> 
> Going back to "the same old crowd" (of friends) is likely going to put
> them back where they started (on their failed trajectory).


Yes, the "exceptional cases" are indeed who you're working for, but I 
don't think they're quite as uncommon as you seem to be making them out 
to be.

Part of the point of "throwing stuff and money" is because you have to 
show someone love and trust who's likely never experienced it _at all_ 
before you show them tough love or it just seems like more punishment, 
not a particularly effective method of enticing anyone back into society.

Or just don't do anything but have noble ideals and they'll find the 
money from the copper in the walls of the development near you and maybe 
find housing in your shed or under the bridge in your neighborhood, up 
to you.

> Healthy foods, access to good medical care, good support/social networks,
> etc.
> 
> Housing, by itself, doesn't do much.

Even people with housing often don't have reliable access to those 
things, much less without it!

You are sho'nuff fucked if you don't have secure housing in America. 
Difficult to even enumerate all the additional ways a person is fucked 
without it, on top of whatever mental health and/or addiction issue 
they're suffering from.