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In news.groups.proposals Rayner Lucas <usenet202101@magic-cookie.co.uknospamplease> wrote:
> As a contribution towards the latter, I have ported PyModerator to 
> Python 3 (https://github.com/PyModerator/PyModerator). It's still rather  
> elderly and clunky, with much work to be done, but is considerably 
> easier to set up than the other extant moderation software, STUMP. The 
> development version now has support for secure POP and SMTP connections, 
> making it more likely to work with modern email providers.
> 
> The only other way I can think of to lower the barrier to entry is some 
> sort of hosted moderation platform, but that would be a single point of 
> failure just like Robomod was.

If I understand correctly, the moderation software just needs to
read mail from the newsgroup's submission email inbox and post
approved messages to a willing NNTP server. In that case you could
easily have instances of the same moderation platform running in
different places, similar to front-end websites like Invidious. If
one dies, moderators could make an account on another identical
instance and keep going. If it's open-source and well written in a
long-term stable language (I wouldn't choose Python on that basis)
then it shouldn't need much maintenance even if the original author
departs.

As, I gather, a closed-source service, Robomod effectively opted in
to being a single point of failure, but I think that approach could
be done much more flexibly.

The only issue, and I'm not sure if it's an issue, might be the
NNTP servers willing to accept postings from these distributed
neo-Robomod instances. I got the impression from past discussion
that some (most?) NNTP servers don't accept moderators posting
approved articles through them, or require personal requests to
allow it. If all the instances are pointing to the same willing
NNTP server then it becomes another single point of failure.
Ideally they'd all be pointing to different NNTP servers (_ideally_
many instances would be run by the same people who run those NNTP
servers).

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