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From: Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid>
Subject: Re: [Tin] Newer versions falsely show empty groups
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Urs Janssen <urs@buil.tin.org> wrote:
> In Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> the logs would be helpfull, getart_limit with a positive number
> should issue [X]OVER "high_mark minus limit"-"high_mark"
> (in case of high_mark minus limit would be < 1 it will be set to 1).
> so that should NOT lead to "empty group".

Logs sent. As noted in the email the issue is that 2.6.4 is
requesting for ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad:
XOVER 26-26

Where 2.0.1 requests:
XOVER 26-101

>> Oh, OK. That might not be a practical option for me. I just tried
>> "tin -u -r -v" after commenting-out getart_limit in tinrc and by
>> the sixth group of 169 in my .newsrc it had already downloaded
>> about 40MB and I had to stop it because I can't spare very much
>> more internet data. Maybe I could do it over free WiFi somewhere if
>> it's a one-off thing but that won't be any time soon.
> 
> initially building the cache = download overviews for all articles
> in all subscribed groups. that may be a lot of data (dpending on the
> number of groups and articles per group), but that's done just once.

OK, so after the cache is built it only downloads new article
"overviews"? The Usenet server I use hasn't expired articles since
the early 2010s, so without getart_limit there are a lot of headers
for some groups. It would be nice to be able to see all those old
articles and only download the overviews for new posts to add to it,
instead of downloading the latest 500 each time. If that's how the
cache works without getart_limit enabled, then I'll try and set that
up when I get the chance to do the initial download.

>> Well Tin does "enter" the groups (displays the group name above an
>> empty space with "*** No articles ***" at the bottom). It doesn't
> 
> what else is in the top status bar? and what after pressing 'r'?

Opening ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad in 2.6.4 I get:

             ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad (0B 500/0  0* 0: 0o 0K)       h=help
[snip blank lines]
                        *** No articles ***

After pressing 'r' I get:

              ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad (0B 500/0+ 0* 0o 0K)         h=help
[snip blank lines]
                        *** No articles ***
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