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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 11:52:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Parsing timestamps? Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth References: <1f433fabcb4d053d16cbc098dedc6c370608ac01@i2pn2.org> <cdf19da4f12fb2871cb316a7da47561e139b640a@i2pn2.org> <874ivjw48w.fsf@nightsong.com> <91e8859d9cb678b7ce7a8a5f341de513@www.novabbs.com> <2025Jul11.122254@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <954cf34891bed0677fd79af0b676c50613dc1443@i2pn2.org> <2025Jul13.110141@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <2d6811168025a74b3ff51a78efb75947d36a0146@i2pn2.org> <2025Jul14.080413@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <15e72400d3b7e16609f3c2abc38888d6fcba0ac4@i2pn2.org> <2025Jul18.173405@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <e71ec2ab13d967f0dd837a2d7f1a3718137f6cde@i2pn2.org> <87ecu9uw4k.fsf@nightsong.com> Content-Language: en-GB From: dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87ecu9uw4k.fsf@nightsong.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: news.ausics.net Message-ID: <687eeec4$1@news.ausics.net> Organization: Ausics - https://newsgroups.ausics.net Lines: 32 X-Complaints: abuse@ausics.net Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.bbs.nz!news.ausics.net!not-for-mail On 22/07/2025 6:28 am, Paul Rubin wrote: > dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> writes: >> AFAICS IEEE 754 offers nothing particularly useful for the end-user. >> Either one's fp application works - or it doesn't. IEEE hasn't >> changed that. > > The purpose of IEEE FP was to improve the numerical accuracy of > applications that used it as opposed to other formats. > >> IEEE's relevance is that it spurred Intel into making an FPU which in >> turn made implementing fp easy. > > Exactly the opposite, Intel decided that it wanted to make an FPU and it > wanted the FPU to have the best FP arithmetic possible. So it > commissioned Kahan (a renowned FP expert) to design the FP format. > Kahan said "Why not use the VAX format? It is pretty good". Intel said > it didn't want pretty good, it wanted the best, so Kahan said "ok" and > designed the 8087 format. > > The IEEE standardization process happened AFTER the 8087 was already in > progress. Other manufacturers signed onto it, some of them overcoming > initial resistance, after becoming convinced that it was the right > thing. > > http://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~wkahan/ieee754status/754story.html There's nothing intrinsically "best" in IEEE's format. Best product on the market is what Intel wanted. It had been selling AMD's 9511 single-precision FPU under licence. As Kahan says, wind of what Intel was doing got out and industry's response was to create a standard that even Intel couldn't ignore.