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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Interesting. ChatGPT fails defending starlight deflection when photons graze Sun's surface Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 01:34:39 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <69d47380ddfb2c7bfc3b52108c0ca4ca@www.novabbs.com> References: <9f729554aafb0be632aaeebd57833d95@www.novabbs.com> <9657386124cca2fe6f147aa37dfdd1e4@www.novabbs.com> <5a42c06d9d8c648b549334970dc6bca4@www.novabbs.com> <d4055e3f3507579983d127632cc2c089@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="4103222"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="HcQFdl4zp4UQRQ9N18ivMn6Fl9V8n4SPkK4oZHLgYdQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$XwqqWiFvRuUIyJ/WAbKtE.pPTUzKxXN29XC2hrM/rnIQ6vvsgbYwq X-Rslight-Posting-User: a2f761a7401f13abeefca3440f16b2f27b708180 Bytes: 3948 Lines: 57 On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 0:57:06 +0000, ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 21:46:00 +0000, rhertz wrote: > >> For me, c IS CONSTANT, and the phenomena of deflection is due to >> REFRACTION. > > ====================================================================== > > In the Earth's ionosphere, radio waves are strongly refracted by free > electrons. This refraction is strongly dependent on frequency: > > n^2 = 1 - ω_p^2 / [ω(ω + iν)] > > where ω_p is the plasma frequency. Propagation of optical frequency > light is virtually unaffected by free electrons in the ionosphere. > > Both radio frequencies and optical frequencies are refracted by BOUND > electrons in atoms and molecules. In the Earth's atmosphere, water > molecules are extremely important in the refraction of radio waves, > but of rather less importance in the refraction of optical frequencies. > > ====================================================================== > > In the solar corona, the situation is quite different. Radio waves > are, of course, refracted by free electrons in the solar corona, so > VLBI measurements of the gravitational deflection of radio waves must > be corrected for refraction. This is done by performing measurements > at multiple wavelengths and using the known relationship between > wavelength and refraction by free electrons to determine the > un-refracted path of the radio waves. > > It is unnecessary to correct for refraction by BOUND electrons because > of their almost complete absence in the solar corona. Above a > transition zone a few thousand kilometers above the surface, the > coronal gases are heated to temperatures greater than 1,000,000°C. At > such temperatures, all of the lighter elements (hydrogen, helium, > carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen) are stripped down to bare nuclei. > Spectral lines visible in the corona comes from heavier trace elements > like iron and calcium which are able to retain a few of their > electrons. > > (Do not be confused by the F corona spectral lines, which are due to > scattering of light by dust particles.) > > Visible light passing by the Sun is not refracted by FREE electrons in > the solar corona, and the complete stripping of electrons from all > elements up through oxygen means that there are virtually no BOUND > electrons in polarizable atomic species capable of refracting visible > light either. > > In other words, not only is the solar atmosphere far too tenuous to > contribute significantly to the measured deflection of visible light, > its composition is entirely wrong. > > ====================================================================== Alexander Unzicker differs with you on that in his book, "The Liquid Sun."