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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 07:24:51 +0000 Subject: Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc References: <vdpi96$bgk6$7@dont-email.me> <lmb9k2F64inU8@mid.individual.net> <vdqlcs$lo51$1@dont-email.me> <TKqcnfnts-lvnJ_6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <pRDMO.80813$7OO5.26774@fx43.iad> <lmh1avF2k8fU1@mid.individual.net> <MZScnWkZT7T_Hon6nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vf27ib$9pgg$1@dont-email.me> <ErcRO.309187$v8v2.137739@fx18.iad> <vf3t70$itru$9@dont-email.me> <lnlparFlf82U5@mid.individual.net> <vf4hrt$pqrl$3@dont-email.me> <lnmbutFodq5U1@mid.individual.net> <vf5442$sjo3$1@dont-email.me> <20241021075543.00000494@gmail.com> <vf6f0q$13ctc$2@dont-email.me> <20241021151652.00005675@gmail.com> <vf6n47$14l9a$3@dont-email.me> <lno9vqF368kU2@mid.individual.net> <vf6u3q$15nlq$3@dont-email.me> <20241022095931.00001d38@gmail.com> <vf93a5$1l20u$6@dont-email.me> <20241022144815.00007ea5@gmail.com> <vf98l2$1lsqn$3@dont-email.me> <20241022153631.00002ec9@gmail.com> <vfamtn$21039$1@dont-email.me> <338587242.751506731.188137.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> From: "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> Organization: wokiesux Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 03:24:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <338587242.751506731.188137.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <6FudnaxNIOJe2ob6nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@earthlink.com> Lines: 45 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-gUNd2neZIqJmY7XkaC9i5CzUI4W69wm28/0VQrP0G5ba0+nFOEhcQSz9AsNLmsMdL+WaX5In+VtPADZ!f9R0KVF//AnepchrIjdJxtyPvIbf9BrNsN1dPBC/o53xMwrjPWJ6LeJxxnrnXh7Ns2UB/FZK5zgk!YOGSaQN0CFJkgkcXLE/F X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 On 10/24/24 8:13 PM, Peter Flass wrote: > magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 23/10/2024 01:36, John Ames wrote: >>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 22:23:31 -0000 (UTC) >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> And you really expect the young kids today to spend the extra effort >>>> learning something like Forth? >>> >>> I don't expect anyone to do anything! They're free to use whatever fits >>> their workflow and personal tastes best! >>> >>> It's just funny to watch you be so dedicated to dismissing out-of-hand >>> a thing that nobody was even pressuring you to use, is all. >>> >> And if I might interject, I am a 24-year old who has not that long ago >> started learning the UXN (https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/uxn.html) system. >> While it isn't a bare-metal FORTH, targetting a virtual machine, in >> terms of learning about FORTHs, I think it qualifies. >> >> And if I don't qualify as a "young kid", well, I have a 13-year-old >> brother, who has also started learning the language. >> > > In this group you could be twice your age and still be considered a > youngste Heh, heh ... probably true :-) A lot of us got our start BEFORE the IBM-PC, before 'PC's at all. My first "PC" was a PDP-11 with a card reader and you had to stand in line holding a pile of the cards. DON'T DROP 'EM !!! But at least some of the 'kids' are super smart, and more attuned to how it's done NOW/TOMORROW ... so I'll pay attention. (uxn is an almost FORTH-like hyper-simple lang with a very tiny 'compiler' - though I suppose you COULD do some real stuff with it) https://wiki.xxiivv.com/etc/uxnmin.c.txt