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From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
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Subject: Re: The Relativity Mafia
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 03:56:02 +0000
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 23:53:04 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:

> On 11/29/2024 02:30 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 21:36:18 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/29/2024 01:22 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 18:50:19 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/29/2024 10:08 AM, Bertietaylor wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 16:58:53 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie: I haven't connected with Arindam due to his claims about
>>>>>>> ultimate realities. He probably thinks light is affected by
>>>>>>> gravity and
>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right and Arindam will agree totally with you for he has
>>>>>> proved
>>>>>> that gravity is an electrostatic phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertietaylor
>>>>>
>>>>> Heaviside and crew arrived at that action in the electrical field
>>>>> was just a bit _beyond_ c, I suppose one might say, the "mass-less".
>>>>
>>>> If photons had mass the mass-velocity relation would prevent them from
>>>> moving at c. Therefore, they have no mass.
>>>
>>> Photons are none of electrons, electron-holes, nor waves,
>>> nor wavelets, in the "electromagnetic" or electrical field -
>>> though there's a usual wave/particle duality of photons
>>> as radiant the light.
>>>
>>> That the electrical field, makes for continuous spectrum,
>>> about the frequency and wavelength thus energy after dividing
>>> out the supposed particle energy the rays, the waves the rays,
>>> and so does light in space by itself as if it orbits, bodies,
>>> then has usually separate fields apiece for the electrical
>>> and "deep space in a vacuum light's un-encumbered medium",
>>> though the theory today has it simplified together,
>>> helps describe why "photons" are way over-loaded in
>>> the "particle" mechanics, and that then in terms of
>>> mass-energy equivalency and c = infinity, that,
>>> c =/= infinity.
>>>
>>> And the great 19'th century electricians do arrive
>>> at action in the electrical field just slightly tachyonic.
>>>
>>> The "mass-less", or "sub-particulate", energy in the wave.
>>>
>>> One may notice that waves are not granular.
>>>
>>> Of course that's sort of putting GR, and SR, and QM,
>>> and QED, and scattering-and-tunneling, and QCD,
>>> not-quite a wave theory, photons pretty much everywhere.
>>>
>>> "Virtual", photons ("fictitious", mostly).
>>>
>>> Of course there's just adding definition underneath
>>> the assumptions of GR and SR since mechanics itself
>>> makes room, since GR and SR are merely "successful theories".
>>
>> You're right to place "successful theories" in quotation marks. What
>> troubles me is how can energy exist without mass? How ca photons be
>> massless?
>
> Seems you got one of those "non-zero, yet vanishing"
> "mathematical infinitesimal" type things to figure out.
>
> These days the photon is acribed an arbitrarily small
> yet non-zero mass, so small that it only effects that
> light follow the geodesy, and so small that c = infinity
> by definition doesn't make for that m_photon c^2 = infinity,
> or, it's an infinitesimal.
>
> Other types of nuclear radiation, where optical light is
> considered a type of flux complement of nuclear radiation,
> for example X-rays and gamma rays, vis-a-vis alpha and
> beta particles, of nuclear radiation, have that optical
> light is considered part of nuclear radiation, and that
> furthermore that optical light is special in terms of
> rays and waves and diffraction and the carriage of an image,
> that "information is free, if metered" as it were.
>
> So, SR has nothing to say about that until mathematics
> has something to say about infinity and infinitesimals
> in real things, much like Einstein's cosmological constant,
> which according to the latest, most-expensive, most-cited
> experiments like WMAP is "non-zero, yet vanishing".
>
> Sort of like "Little Higgs".
>
> These explorations of the trans-Planckian, the
> Planck-plank of electron physics as it were,
> make for things like super-string theory,
> which are kind of simply understood as twice
> as small as atoms, in orders of magnitude,
> because "it's a continuum mechanics...".
>
> So, mathematics _owes_ physics more and better
> mathematics of mathematical infinities and infinitesimals
> with regards to continuum analysis, and furthermore
> physics is in dire _need_ of this.
>
> Otherwise you can just point at QM and GR disagreeing
> 120 orders of magnitude and point out they're both wrong.
>
> And quantum mechanics is never wrong, ...,
> and neither is relativity (of motion) theory.
>
> Maybe you're doing it wrong,
> but QM after Democritan chemistry
> and GR and for FitzGeraldian space-contraction,
> need fixing in "mechanics" and furthermore "continuum mechanics".
Thanks for your thoughts. I suppose that if the mass is so small it does
not become infinite at c then it may not even be affected by gravity.