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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is INCorrectly rejected as
 non-halting V2
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 10:14:03 -0400
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On 7/13/24 9:27 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 7/13/2024 8:15 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 7/13/24 9:04 AM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 7/13/2024 7:20 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You have a wrong understanding of the semantics of the x86 language. 
>>>> You think that the x86 language specifies that skipping instructions 
>>>> do not change the behaviour of a program.
>>>
>>> You have the wrong understanding of a decider.
>>> All deciders are required to halt.
>>
>> And are required to give the correct answer.
>>
>> You seem to think it is ok for them to lie if they don't know the 
>> right answer.
>>
>>>
>>> As soon as the decider correctly determines that itself
>>> would never halt unless is aborts the simulation of its
>>> input the decider is required to abort this simulation.
>>>
>>
>> Which it never does, so it gives up and guesses.
>>
>> YOU lie that it does correctly determines the answer, but that is 
>> because you lie and don't look at the input that this decider actually 
>> has, but look at the input that would have been given to a different 
>> decider to show that one wrong.
> 
> 
> *This proves that every rebuttal is wrong somewhere*
> No DDD instance of each HHH/DDD pair of the infinite set of
> every HHH/DDD pair ever reaches past its own machine address of
> 0000216b and halts thus proving that every HHH is correct to
> reject its input DDD as non-halting.

But every DDD that calls an HHH that aborts its simulation of a copy of 
that DDD and returns is shown to be halting, not non-halting. It is just 
that HHH can't see that behavior becuase it aborted its simulation.

"DDD" is the program, not the partial emulation of it, so it halts even 
if HHHs PARTIAL simulaton of it ddn't reach thatpoint.

> 
> You seem to fail to understand the notion of differing
> process contexts. It is a tricky notion for people that
> have never done operating system level programming.
> https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/context-switch-in-operating-system/
> 

Which is something I don't have problems with, since I have written my 
own operating systems.

Your problem is you don't seem to understand is that all copies of a 
given deterministic program act the same and that the simulator aborting 
its simulation doesn't actually stop the behavior of the program it is 
emulating, as it can't affect that context that the program actually 
runs in.


You seem to have a fundamental issue with understanding the difference 
between truth, which is what actually happens with the thing, and the 
results of finite partial observation of that thing that produces 
partial knowledge. This just breaks your whole concept of logic.