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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2024 08:48:24 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 49 Message-ID: <6ctchjp5n73v2had88s5smaq7eac755vc6@4ax.com> References: <20240913a@crcomp.net> <ceff4cd0-7f16-0f42-588b-374e89acf00c@example.net> <vcfq1i$8o8k$2@dont-email.me> <eef9e921-3ea3-76ee-39de-e34ac66733e4@example.net> <vcvu4d$3hnv8$1@dont-email.me> <vd1td8$3qtr8$1@dont-email.me> <vdmtmu$3s32s$1@dont-email.me> <vdn1t8$3sog6$1@dont-email.me> <vdn4mv$3t78e$2@dont-email.me> <9lrbhjth817stv8fotbo3ibig1qpqjpoh5@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:48:27 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ae6ae3be1d37b0d3d169c17df07f965d"; logging-data="1067515"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19IKy8k56AikAVu8kx1jDVIPYO0TcoFrFM=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:wavf4R2QtufexKaLmSSjAmJQ37I= Bytes: 3442 On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 23:05:57 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote: >On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 17:09:35 -0500, Lynn McGuire ><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: > >>I am still wondering who is going to get the Chinese to cut their CO2=20 >>emissions now that they are 1/3rd of the world's CO2 emissions ? > >This is why I'm dubious about climate change targets. > >I'm a Canadian and every last one of us could commit suicide tomorrow >and not help climate change as much as China or India or both reducing >their emissions by 10-20% > >I'm NOT a "denier" but DO deny any international convention where >China and India are NOT part of the solution can possibly be >effective. While your point seems valid and may be, in your case, honestly meant, you should be aware that this can be seen as an attempt to maintain the gap between "us" and "them". We enjoy the results of a century or so of industrialization, most of it with no concern for externalized costs. (I actually read an article that suggests that the reason certain French painter's paintings look softer and vaguer as time goes on is precisely because they were painting what they were seeing, and what they were seeing was softer and vaguer because of growing air pollution.) Resting on this foundation of wealth, we can afford to put the brakes on the pollution express. But the rest of the world is in catch-up mode. Asserting that they must do what we are doing currently as opposed to what we did in the past to get where we are today can be seen as asserting that they are not to be allowed to catch up, but to remain forever poor. I would hope that they are taking advantage of the tech we have developed to reduce pollution or even invent new and better tech for this -- that they can, IOW, do better than we did, a rather low bar. Thus does the dead hand of the past continue to influence the present. But, again, you may be reacting to what you see happening, not to some ideology. --=20 "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino, Who evil spoke of everyone but God, Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"