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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: bike path news
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 09:41:45 -0400
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 08:14:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/12/2025 3:08 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On 12 Mar 2025 06:31:29 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11 Mar 2025 15:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue Mar 11 10:58:45 2025 Roger Merriman  wrote:
>>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11 Mar 2025 10:23:20 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> People form their own opinions and arrange their own
>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior based on their own situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes - or based on their own phobias. I know people who are
>>>>>>>>>>> horribly afraid of spiders, garter snakes, honeybees,
>>>>>>>>>>> graveyards and more.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Smart? No. Logical? No. But at least they're not carrying
>>>>>>>>>>> lethal weaponry.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My daughter for example used to take the train to work in
>>>>>>>>>>>> inclement or bitter cold Chicago winters.
>>>>>>>>>>>> No longer. ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're the anecdote master, Andrew. But IIRC you've not yet
>>>>>>>>>>> found a horrifying anecdote about quiet bike paths in
>>>>>>>>>>> suburban Florida, near our timid tricycle rider.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The murder of this thread was of an unarmed man on a bike path.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just because it can happen doesnt mean it will happen, going out on limb
>>>>>>>>> but I suspect that CatTrike Ryder will be perfectly safe with or without
>>>>>>>>> carrying any guns on his rides.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suspect he knows this as well, but simply likes having the gun on him?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I spent more then a year in Vietnam where people did, on occasion,
>>>>>>>> shoot at you and I can assure you that a firearm did give you a
>>>>>>>> certain sense of security :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even when they weren't shooting :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I?m assuming this was the Vietnam war or similar which is a kinda difficult
>>>>>>> risk case to put it mildly!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yes there are places where having a gun on you seems a wise decision,
>>>>>>> riding your bike even in America doesn?t seems likely hence the absence of
>>>>>>> bike specific kit to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you suppose that Vietnam or Laos is safe today?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I?d assume so yes, I?d confidently predict it has lower violent crime rate
>>>>> than US, certainly folks who have gone there or lived there haven?t claimed
>>>>> they needed a gun or someone with gun for protection!
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't speak for Vietnam or Laos, which are both Communist,  but in
>>>> Thailand, my nephew - manages a family business in the village -
>>>> estimates that every business will have at least one gun (legal or
>>>> not) on the premises and all gold shops, for sure, will have one at
>>>> the sales counter, and they will shoot.
>>>
>>> That is moving goal posts, ie folks are using guns as deterrent against
>>> robbery at high value stores.
>>>
>>> And yes guns can be a deterrent, here as the armed police are so lethal,
>>> and using a gun will make you a target both literally and for
>>> investigation, so only very dumb folks use guns as the risks are so high,
>>> and tend to pay the price for doing so.
>>>
>>> That’s rather different to having a gun, for bike ride or popping to the
>>> shops and so on.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>> 
>> The Europeans, especially the Brits, are much more willing to let
>> their government run their lives for them than we USAians. The attempt
>> here to move us in that direction that was soundly rejected in the
>> last election.
>> 
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>
>There's a similar cultural rift between US and Canadian 
>ethos, as applies to the relationship between the individual 
>and the State.

Back in the 1700s a few USAians said "hell no," and stirred things up.
The Canadians said "ho hum." There are a few Canadian snow-birds
living in our condo association. They complain a lot. One old gal has
a speed radar gun and stands out in the road with it. The speed limit
here is 15. She complains about my riding the Catrike past her place. 

--
C'est bon
Soloman