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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:45:37 +0000
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 13:26:59 +0000, Jordy wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 5:10:07 +0000, Jordy wrote:
>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 4:59:41 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>
>>>>>>>>>> Good choice, Jordy.
>>>>>>>>>> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago.
>>>>>>>>>> Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And
>>>>>>>>>> "The History of Modern
>>>>>>>>>> Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where
>>>>>>>>>> Steven Watson seems to
>>>>>>>>>> have gotten most of his information) about the
>>>>>>>>>> movement that took off around
>>>>>>>>>> 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the
>>>>>>>>>> form can be traced back
>>>>>>>>>> as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of
>>>>>>>>>> Revolt" aka "Free
>>>>>>>>>> Versers".
>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most
>>>>>>>>>> famous poets of this
>>>>>>>>>> group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute
>>>>>>>>>> Rhythm/, that is [...]
>>>>>>>>>> poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being
>>>>>>>>>> expressed..."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for
>>>>>>>>>> the new poets, the
>>>>>>>>>> writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers"
>>>>>>>>>> and vers librists, because
>>>>>>>>>> they championed the rise of free verse, which
>>>>>>>>>> replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>>>>>>>>>> and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In addition, there were other distinctive factions
>>>>>>>>>> during 1910-1917 and
>>>>>>>>>> beyond...
>>>>>>>>>> The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel
>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>>>>>>>>>> others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists
>>>>>>>>>> all fit under the
>>>>>>>>>> generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of
>>>>>>>>>> Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Richard Aldington
>>>>>>>>>> Amy Lowell
>>>>>>>>>> Vacel Lindsay
>>>>>>>>>> Harry Kemp
>>>>>>>>>> Donald Evans
>>>>>>>>>> Allen Norton
>>>>>>>>>> Louise Norton
>>>>>>>>>> H.D.
>>>>>>>>>> Mina Loy
>>>>>>>>>> William Carlos Williams
>>>>>>>>>> Alfred Kreymborg
>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917
>>>>>>>>>> Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ping: Jordy:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm reading of another from that great generation of
>>>>>>>>>> poets, Octavio Paz:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio
>>>>>>>>>> Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial,
>>>>>>>>>> lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin
>>>>>>>>>> American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill
>>>>>>>>>> with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role.
>>>>>>>>>> For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical
>>>>>>>>>> agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once"a man for far too many
>>>>>>>>>> seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new
>>>>>>>>>> movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of
>>>>>>>>>> revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country
>>>>>>>>>> and countrymen. Among other things..."
>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Will
>
>>>>>>>>>> Great to see you, my friend.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Bonjour Will
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello there my friend, great to see you again tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hola Will
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good afternoon again my friend.
>
>>>>>>>>> Ciao Will
>
>>>>>>>> Hello again my friend.
>
>>>>>>>> This is a response to the post seen at:
>>>>>>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660625304#660625304
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Shalom Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good morning again my friend.
>>>>>
>>>>>        Bonjour Will

Great to see you again today, Jordy.