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From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
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Subject: Re: Robert Creeley poem
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 15:38:41 +0000
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On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 13:33:17 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 13:03:02 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 20:49:25 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 19:39:48 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:57:09 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:53:52 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 6:41:33 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 0:04:15 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article.php?id=255731&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
>>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I realized from the content of NancyGene's posts that they were
>>>>>>>>> intelligent, well-educated, and better written than anyone here.
>>>>>>>>> Naturally, I asked them to start contributing to the "Sampler."  And I
>>>>>>>>> was right in doing so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are the opening lines of NancyGene's latest poem:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Yesterdays stack up like piles of read newspapers,
>>>>>>>>> Cluttering my mind and obstructing my day."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's poetry of the highest quality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The opening line is very good. It's almost as good as the opening line
>>>>>>>> of Robert Creeleys poem, "The Days Pile Up":
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The days pile up like unread newspapers,"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do hope "Dr." NastyGoon credited Mr. Creeley; otherwise that would be
>>>>>>>> something they would call, you know -- "plagiarism".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ping Rachel:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the obert Creeley poem I was telling you about, the one causing
>>>>>>> such a ruckus here on the poetry newsgroup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's George Dance's libelous accusation of plagiarism
>>>>>
>>>>> Read the George Dance post again, he didn't make an accusation, just an
>>>>> observation.
>>>>
>>>> And, yes, George Dance did make the accusation:
>>>
>>> No, George Dance made the observation, see below.
>>>
>>>> "I do hope "Dr." NastyGoon credited Mr. Creeley; otherwise that would be
>>>> something they would call, you know -- "plagiarism"."
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, George Dance was saying that's what" they," Nancy Gene would call
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Are you just playing stupid again or is your reading comprehension
>>> really that poor?
>>
>> How does that matter, Donkey?
>>
>> If the line had been copied from Creeley with only minor modifications
>> (as George Dance falsely claims), posting it without crediting him
>> *would* be plagiarism.
>
> No, Lying Michael. Copying one line of someone else's poem to use in a
> poem of one's own is not plagiarism. It may be considered rude, if done
> to a living author, but it is not considered literary theft.
>
>> It doesn't matter whether NancyGene would call it "plagiarism" if
>> someone else did it.  It would be an act of plagiarism regardless of
>> what NancyGene, or anyone else, called it.
>
> No, Lying Michael: it's something that only a troll would call
> plagiarism: a troll like NastyGoon, or ... yourself.
>
>> And since George Dance titled the thread this accusation appeared in
>> "NastyGoon lifts a line" (FYI: That is a direct accusation that
>> NancyGene copied the line from Creeley), he's calling her a
>> plagiarist... twice.
>
> No, HarryLiar. As Will said, you got the line wrong. The only question
> is why.

Wrong again, George.

Stealing a line of poetry from another author and attempting to pass it
off as your own is an act of plagiarism.  It may or may not be the type
of plagiarism I could be taken to court over (I don't pretend to be a
lawyer), but it is still by definition "plagiarism."

Let's look at the definition of "Plagiarize" at Merriam-Webster:

transitive verb

: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own :
use (another's production) without crediting the source

intransitive verb

: to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or
product derived from an existing source

Stealing a line of poetry would be included under both of these
definitions.

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