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On 2/12/25 11:01 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 12/02/2025 22:54, John Ames wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 17:09:18 -0500
>> "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>
>>> As for including size info in arrays ... makes good sense to me. EZ
>>> to know what you're dealing with. Liked the old short-strings in
>>> Turbo - the first byte was the string length.
>>
>> There's definitely an argument to be made for including bounds info as
>> part of the array structure. There's no argument (that I've ever heard)
>> to be made for making it part of the *type specification.* Any line of
>> reasoning that says a carton of six eggs and a carton of twelve eggs
>> are somehow different *kinds* of objects and their contents incomparable
>> is fundamentally deranged.
>>
> The problem with languages designed to let stupid people program safely 
> is that as in the case with all highest common factor legislation, the 
> majority suffers to protect the few idiots from themselves.


   But IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY ???

   There have always been some idiots in programming/development.
   That percentage, for a number of reasons, seems to have steeply
   increased.

   Almost ALL of western economies absolutely DEPEND on the
   net/cloud/systems in order to function - commerce, banking,
   the infrastructure, transport, energy, supply/demand, mil
   and security - ALL of it.

   As it appears very difficult to weed out the idiots, and
   years to create a new class of Competent, the second tier
   approach is to COPE with them. Alas this means much more
   'idiot-proof' computer languages/systems no matter the
   cost/hassle to the competent fraction.

   Nobody wants to hear this, but Real is Real.

   As for including type info - limits and more - the effective
   overhead in these days of gigabit flow and GHz multicore chips
   is negligible. As such I'd say to include it one way or another.