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Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that
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On 11/19/24 12:09 PM, root wrote:
> I want to complement these joy posts by my feelings
> about junk languages. My programming experience
> includes a wide variety from machine language, assembly
> language, Fortran, and C going back to the 60's.

   HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY !!!  :-)

   These "Joy" threads seem to have REVIVED these
   otherwise kinda dismal, under-posted, groups.

   Remember when computer stuff was super-INTERESTING,
   a PASSION maybe ? Well, the same stuff is STILL there,
   it's just the crowd became kinda cynical.

   FORTRAN, COBOL, ASM, BASIC, PASCAL, 'C' ... you
   name it - there are a million ways to make it
   all GOOD. SO many super-neato variants in How
   To Do It.

   OK ... never found any joy in ADA .... but that's
   just me.

> I call Perl, Python, and Javascript junk languages:
> because programs written in these are unstable. Some
> modification in these can cause a perfectly functional
> program to stop working because of some change that
> was not backward compatible.

   Ummmm ... I'd tend to disagree, esp with Python.

   The main thing with Python was the v2 -> v3
   transition. Even then it's usually not much
   problem to translate a v2 to v3 app. They
   PROMISE that p4 will almost entirely stick to
   the p3 methods, just kinda pepped-up. It HAS
   become an "all purpose" lang - kinda the "New
   BASIC".

   NEVER liked JS or Perl ... but that's just me.
   Real-world, they seem to do their thing OK.

   Almost always proto a new idea in Python now ...
   and, if good, translate it into 'C' or even
   Pascal. My old fave was/is Pascal - something
   'poetic' about it.

> I ran into this problem way back in the 70's when I
> was running Fortran programs on CDC machines. One
> day my Fortran programs would no longer compile because
> CDC had updated their compiler. I had no recourse
> other than tracking down every "error" and programming
> around that. Do that with a program that ran to
> 20 boxes of cards.

   Yep, been there ......

   Langs/compilers have become kinda MORE "standard"
   since those days. Sometimes still have to tweak
   the defines a little, but LESS horrible.

> Although Perl supposedly had an automatic method
> for updating my Perl programs, it didn't work
> for me and I just abandoned all the stuff that
> I had written up to that time.

   Perl smells like a camel's ass ... just no
   reason for it.

> I am now running into these same problems with
> javascript programs using jsdom. Junk.

   As said ... JS is kind of an ever-mutating
   mess. IMHO, stay away from it as much as
   possible. I suspect the ever-mutating aspect
   is INTENTIONAL ... a 'make work' thing .....

   Best to stick to 'C'. K&R can still tell you
   almost everything you need  :-)

   Hmmmmmmmm ... how many now have EVER programmed
   in BASIC ? Should do a survey .....