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From: Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
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Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2025 09:54:47 -0700
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2025 14:05:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Tue Mar 25 16:54:45 2025 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 19:50:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Mon Mar 24 21:35:40 2025 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 02:04:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >I haven't seen Keith since before I was injured so he wasn't marketing them under his name at that time.
>> >> 
>> >> You had a concussion in 2010.
>> >> 
>> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
>> >> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
>> >> I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
>> >> properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"
>> >> 
>> >> Wavecel was founded in 2016.  There is no way anyone associated with
>> >> Wavecel could or would talk to you about their product in 2010 because
>> >> it didn't exist in 2010.  If the inventor(s) did a public disclosure
>> >> more than 12 months prior to when the patent was issued (2016), they
>> >> would risk having the invention considered as prior art.
>> 
>> >Liebermann, we already know that you're missing a few rocks out of a full load. Is there some reason you cannot understand that I am recommending the Wavecel BECAUSE the old fashion foam helmet I was wearing didn't prevent traumatic brain injuries? Trek introduced me to the Wavecell in 2020. How does that fit your invention of time tables?
>> 
>> I am only interested in your claim to have "seen Keith since before I
>> was injured" which would be 2010, which presumably was when Keith
>> Bontrager told you all about Wavecel.
>> 
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
>> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
>> I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
>> properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries."
>> 
>> As far as the general public was concerned, there was no Wavecel
>> product prior to when it was founded and the patents were issued in
>> 2016.  The Wavecel founders would never risk having their patent
>> invalidated because of a "prior art" claim.  Therefore, neither Keith
>> or the founders discussed the technology with you prior to 2016.
>> 
>> Whatever happened in 2020 is irrelevant.
>
>
>
>Quote where I said that Bontrager told me anything about Wavecel? I heard about Wavecel from Pslo Slto Trek which is no longer in business thanks yo you best friend Biden, you both share growing sanity problems. Is there ANYTHING you don't consider yourself an expert at because you can find some sort of reference on Google? When you know nothing about nothing go right ahead and tell us about it. It is quite entertaining.

(Mar 24, 2025)
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<https://www.novabbs.com/rocksolid/article-flat.php?id=123032&group=rec.bicycles.tech#123032>

  "While Trek owned and financed Bontrager, Keith started
  thinking of this problem. Most injuries to cyclists that
  are serious are from concussions. Broaken bones generally
  heal and scraped skin regrows but brain damage from 
  hitting your head hard while wearing a helmet that 
  doesn't correctly allow deceleration from a head strike 
  can caused even more damage than I recieved."

  "I have no memory of discussing my injury with Keith, but
  perhaps I did since I know him."

  "In any case, he designed the Wavecell helmet that used
  a 3D printing process which is designed to reduce the
  deceleration rate of a head blow from a fall and have
  used them since he began making them. Disconnected 
  from Trek he is still making them but they are not of
  the same quality as the Trek versions."

Please read what I wrote.  If you had knowledge of the Wavecell
technology prior to the patent in 2016, it would have to have come
from the founders and inventors, who did NOT include Keith.  If they
told you about it, they would run the risk of losing the patent, so
they probably kept quiet or at least demanded an NDA (non-disclosure
agreement) from you before they would show you anything.  Otherwise,
your rant is a jumble of contrived lies and your chronology makes no
sense.  


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