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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: bike path news
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 16:36:24 -0400
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 16:33:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 12:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 3/14/2025 9:33 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 08:30:31 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 3/12/2025 7:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>> On 3/12/2025 5:32 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 04:19:11 -0400, zen cycle
>>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/11/2025 8:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 10:20:18 -0400, Zen Cycle
>>>>>>>> <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/11/2025 8:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 9:37 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well... you exhibit a fear of firearms ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. I exhibit distaste for the American fetish
>>>>>>>>>>> for firearms, and
>>>>>>>>>>> the effect it has on society. And I exhibit scorn for
>>>>>>>>>>> paranoia so
>>>>>>>>>>> severe as to cause a person to _require_ a firearm to
>>>>>>>>>>> do ordinary
>>>>>>>>>>> things like ride a quiet bike path, drive a car, fill
>>>>>>>>>>> a gas tank, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sympathetic to those controlled by some phobias.
>>>>>>>>>>> Not this one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And BTW, it's not just our super-timid tricyclist.
>>>>>>>>>>> One classmate of
>>>>>>>>>>> mine in an adult education class brought his handgun
>>>>>>>>>>> to a class picnic
>>>>>>>>>>> in the country. Nice guy, but that was crazy
>>>>>>>>>>> paranoia. Another guy,
>>>>>>>>>>> less admirable in general, bragged to me about
>>>>>>>>>>> carrying his handgun
>>>>>>>>>>> into a folk music concert we attended. Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>> stupidity, and crazy
>>>>>>>>>>> paranoia.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That latter guy played guitar, but was so obese that
>>>>>>>>>>> he used a special
>>>>>>>>>>> stand to hold his guitar out away from his belly.
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe his physical
>>>>>>>>>>> shortcomings triggered feelings of great
>>>>>>>>>>> vulnerability, as with Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>> Tricycle? Nonetheless, his risk assessment was off
>>>>>>>>>>> the charts crazy -
>>>>>>>>>>> as is Mr. Tricycle's.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Replace 'firearm' in the above with 'bicycle helmet'.
>>>>>>>>>> Same argument.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And regarding risk assessment, I'm reasonable certain
>>>>>>>>>> that this
>>>>>>>>>> shopping  mall in Greenwood Indiana never experienced
>>>>>>>>>> a deranged madman
>>>>>>>>>> shooting into a crown before, and most probably never
>>>>>>>>>> will again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, on one fine July day, it happened.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/07/hero-armed-
>>>>>>>>>> citizen-landed-8-
>>>>>>>>>> of-10-shots-at-40-yards-to-stop-mass-shooting-in-15-
>>>>>>>>>> seconds/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not especially that Mr Dicken was lawfully carrying
>>>>>>>>>> only days after the
>>>>>>>>>> Indiana statute had changed to allow carry.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> p.s. 8 of ten at 40 feet instantaneously without
>>>>>>>>>> preparation is
>>>>>>>>>> excellent marksmanship. Not achievable without some
>>>>>>>>>> diligence and range
>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which doesn't bode well for people who carry for
>>>>>>>>> personal protection and
>>>>>>>>> never take the time and diligence. If there was a law
>>>>>>>>> requiring range
>>>>>>>>> time and accuracy to carry a gun, I'd be a lot more
>>>>>>>>> confident in the
>>>>>>>>> general public carrying guns. Instead, cases like this
>>>>>>>>> are far more
>>>>>>>>> prevalent:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://people.com/calif-toddler-accidentally-shoots-
>>>>>>>>> and-kills-mother-with-unsecured-gun-police-8759431
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah But, as your reference states the boyfriend committed
>>>>>>>> an illegal
>>>>>>>> act, and was charged, The Florida guy is talking about a
>>>>>>>> legal act.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A bit of a difference, wouldn't one think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not much. The gun fetishists (lobby) thinks any
>>>>>>> restrictions on gun
>>>>>>> ownership are unconstitutional. In their (small) minds,
>>>>>>> the boyfriend
>>>>>>> did nothing wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re restrictions on gun ownership???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first piece of national gun control legislation was
>>>>>> passed on June
>>>>>> 26, 1934. The National Firearms Act (NFA)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is not germane to the point that the gun fetishists
>>>>> (lobby) think any restrictions on gun ownership are
>>>>> unconstitutional.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With good reason.
>>>>
>>>> Because the actual written text doesn't comport with the
>>>> many and various National Firearms Acts.
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, full automatic weapons should be illegal or heavily
>>> controlled as they currently are, but the problem is that US
>>> Constitution says otherwise.  There's also a problem with trying to
>>> modify the 2nd Amendment in that there's never going to be an
>>> agreement on how to modify it.
>>> 
>>> I guess we'll just have to live with unconstitutional laws.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>
>>Yes, the inherent conflict is and will remain unresolved. As 
>>in so many Constitutional questions (I'm thinking of the 
>>utter abuse of the Commerce Clause after FDR).
>>
>>Meanwhile, theory and actual enforcement do vary:
>>
>>https://cwbchicago.com/2025/03/man-on-pretrial-release-for-machine-gun-case-shot-his-girlfriend-during-an-argument-over-weed-prosecutors.html
>
>+1
>
>
>Reality runs up your spine
>andthe peices finally fit
>- Sir Elton

Good grief...  spell check much?


Reality runs up your spine
andthe peices finally fit
- Sir Elton