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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information. Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 07:09:29 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6qb12khbhibgt0irb6br4blbbtc82p9c29@4ax.com> References: <vvnvto$3kd3i$1@dont-email.me> <vvo0k4$3kq8j$1@dont-email.me> <vvo5gv$3lr47$1@dont-email.me> <rf8v1klb6d9djefqfr2e2g8f9k3lgotka2@4ax.com> <qRTTP.120685$vK4b.43405@fx09.ams4> <vvpff0$1g8v$3@dont-email.me> <17%TP.70483$v0S.32377@fx14.ams4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 16:09:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8fa9c17f4b425229b0c342fbf7f46361"; logging-data="510133"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19BWKDbbQG3/ouW8eQ1mQRI" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:7VbGmKrmTcpd54+Z7DP/LOuHHZU= Bytes: 2960 On Sun, 11 May 2025 20:38:51 +1000, Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> wrote: >On 11/05/2025 4:18 pm, Bill Sloman wrote: >>> I believe that there are some new regulations in at least one >>> Australian state, driven by the (fossil-fuel-stoked) fear of "too much >>> solar destabilising the grid", which require new home solar inverters >>> to stop exporting power, unless they receive continuous "permission to >>> export" signals from our overlords, the network operators. >> >> It is cruder than that. They've just stopped paying any realistic kind >> of feed-in tariff to people with roof-top solar, and as a result 40% of >> new roof-top solar in Australia is now being installed with Tesla >> Powerwall or similar battery. It more than doubles the cost of the >> installation, but reduces the pay-back time for the whole installation >> to about seven years, and save you negotiating with your power supplier >> about their derisory feed-in tariffs. > > >No, they say: > >"What happens if my solar inverter loses internet connectivity? > >If your solar inverter loses internet connectivity, the excess energy >you export to the grid will automatically be reduced. This ensures it >can be safely managed." >( from here: >https://www.energy.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/701911/Emergency-backstop-customer-factsheet-June-2024.pdf >) > >So if all of the inverters lose internet, which is entirely likely at >some point bearing in mind our telcos, we can expect a blackout too, all >so that "it can be safely managed." The blackout will no doubt help the >telcos to get back online promptly. Fun times ahead. > Electric power used to be reliable and affordable.