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On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 17:18:23 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 06:52:49 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 09:24:30 -0000 (UTC), RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>On 9 Jul 2024 at 05:04:24 BST, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>
>>>> From time to time I get to remind the qroup that I'm a democratic
>>>> socialist - while Communists are autocratic socialists,
>>>> and got slung out of the International Socialist movements in 1871,
>>>> when Karl Marx's silly ideas about "the leading role" of the party
>>>> were rejected.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>Very kind of you! But a small point - the CP was, theoretically, a
>>>socialist bridge to communism. Nobody - especially Marx - know what
>>>communism would be in detail - simply that the process of revolutionary
>>>socialism would put an end to capitalism for the right reasons.
>>>
>>>> Mikhail Bakunin's famous quote dates from that period
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/801264-if-you-took-the-most-ardent-
>revolutionary-vested-him-in
>>>
>>>So history might suggest :-)
>> 
>> In other words, power corrupts.
>> 
>> Which means that governments are dynamically unstable, and a
>> long-term-democratic society is a remarkable thing.
>> 
>> Why end "capitalism"? Economic and intellectual plualism works.
>
>So does a mixed economy of both private enterprise and publicly-owned 
>bodies if the size of the state sector can be constrained. Unfortunately, 
>states have a tendency to grow themselves if not kept in strict check and 
>this is in large part responsible for the truly *vast* debt burden now 
>carried on the back of so many Western countries.

There's a race between government getting bigger and wasting ever more
resources, and technology making us more productive to support all
that waste.

I was just talking to a fellow old fogey (who is literally a Fellow)
and we agree that young people are getting stupider, so the
productivity increase probably can't  keep up.

Yes, the debt will have consequences too. It keeps increasing and can
never be paid back. Economists keep getting stupider too.