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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Ove Interest?
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 07:33:14 +0700
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 08:39:28 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/16/2025 9:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/16/2025 8:34 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 15:17:39 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 14:48:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you love guns, but what I've posted are the 
>>>>> facts. You should be
>>>>> able to love guns while understanding that their value 
>>>>> is highly overrated.
>>>>
>>>> "The data is clear that their assumption is false. The 
>>>> people with
>>>> guns in the house are _more_ likely to suffer serious 
>>>> violence, and
>>>> that's true no matter where they live."  ...
>>>
>>> I suspect that if you were to study all cases of someone 
>>> murdering
>>> another person in the same household you will find many 
>>> cases where a
>>> gun was used. However that doesn't mean that it is the gun 
>>> that is at
>>> fault. 
>> 
>> I did not say "the gun was at fault." I said those in houses 
>> with guns are more likely to suffer serious violence than 
>> those in houses without guns, no matter where they live. I 
>> don't blame the gun. I blame the people owning and/or using 
>> the gun. But nevertheless, those who got the gun "for 
>> protection" tend to come out worse.
>> 
>>> In short, the statement that a gun in the house is 
>>> dangerious is just
>>> what the "Anti Gunners" want to hear and so they repeat it 
>>> over and
>>> over and over.
>> 
>> OK, John, if you were a researcher, what data would you use 
>> to answer this question:
>> 
>> Are people living in a house with a gun safer or more at 
>> more danger than people living in a house with no gun?
>> 
>> Remember, to a researcher, tales of your childhood don't 
>> count as research. Neither do your strongly held opinions. 
>> You need good data.
>> 
>> (I suspect you'll evade answering my question.)
>> 
>> 
>
>Well, since there are many times more successful firearm 
>defense incidents than firearm homicides I'd say your 
>conclusion is unclear at best.


Given that Frank now derides personal memory and experiences it goes
without saying that his posts  will only be made where proof, i.e.,
independent data, is available to prove his assertions.
-- 
Cheers,

John B.