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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Lenski experiments: an important correction Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 08:38:06 -0400 Organization: What are you looking for? Lines: 60 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <70e14jlren1armmk4sgo6pf38ttn8esplg@4ax.com> References: <v1m078$1i7fl$1@dont-email.me> <v1m26e$1ike2$1@dont-email.me> <v1m5ej$1jc0p$1@dont-email.me> <v1m6n7$1jife$1@dont-email.me> <8aeu3jh43c0cdqk2virkdfrqk6pr3357s9@4ax.com> <v1nf90$1vhcb$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="20296"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:qiI1CHcNAMQ0+hGgkzPZmdXCOOc= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id A59CB229786; Sun, 12 May 2024 08:38:04 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B08229767 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sun, 12 May 2024 08:38:02 -0400 (EDT) id 091E57D12D; Sun, 12 May 2024 12:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2107D12A for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 12 May 2024 12:38:09 +0000 (UTC) id A5AF4DC01A9; Sun, 12 May 2024 14:38:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 14:38:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/GCoQFrEvJDE/VaD2n67MBrgHVP7PI7qY= Bytes: 4123 On Sat, 11 May 2024 11:54:38 +0200, Arkalen <arkalen@proton.me> wrote: >On 11/05/2024 11:27, jillery wrote: >> On Fri, 10 May 2024 23:22:32 +0100, Ernest Major >> <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>=20 >>> On 10/05/2024 23:00, Arkalen wrote: >>>> On 10/05/2024 23:05, Ernest Major wrote: >>>>> On 10/05/2024 21:31, Arkalen wrote: >>>>>> I recently found out that Richard Lenski of the eponymous = long-term >>>>>> E.coli evolution experiment had a blog, and in it I found a >>>>>> correction I thought was relevant to the way those experiments are >>>>>> typically invoked as evidence in evolution/creationism debates: >>>>>> >>>>>> = https://telliamedrevisited.wordpress.com/2024/04/01/a-small-correction/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope we'll all have the integrity to take this new information = into >>>>>> account properly. >>>>> >>>>> Did you look at the date? I suspect it's an April Fool. (Or did you >>>>> identify it as an April Fool, and ran with it?) >>>> >>>> I did eventually figure it out but I'm embarrassed to admit which >>>> paragraph it was at. >>> >>> I'd read the whole post before I figured it out. It didn't make = sense, >>> which caused me to look at the context. >>>> >>>> (also the previous post isn't at the same date but I also suspect = isn't >>>> completely in earnest. I think maybe Richard Lenski might be a funny= guy) >>>> >>>> (EDIT I'm keeping the previous parenthetical for integrity's sake = but >>>> the previous post actually *is* at the same date. How am I such a, = um, >>>> what's the term again, "hard-working student") >>=20 >>=20 >> Yes, an understandable and simple misunderstanding; no need to assert >> personal limitations here. >>=20 >>=20 > >Yes, misunderstanding things is completely normal and human. That's why=20 >it's important to keep the possibility in mind when raising the=20 >emotional stakes of a discussion to avoid getting trapped in a cycle of=20 >escalation where admitting to a misunderstanding becomes impossible=20 >without losing face. Try it sometime, if only for the novelty of the experience. -- To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge