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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: NO ONE, by George Dance
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 14:06:54 +0000
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 13:33:46 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 21:14:54 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 20:12:23 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>>
>>> Pendragon, do you pay the poets published in your poetry anthology?
>>>
>>> Do you send the poets published a contributors copy of the poetry
>>> anthology you've published them in?
>>>
>>> Do you charge the poets published for a copy of the book they're
>>> published in?
>>>
>>> If the last answer is yes then you're running a vanity press.
>>>
>>> HTH and HAND.
>>
>> Payment vs non-payment doesn't designate something as a vanity press,
>> Donkey.
>>
>> Non-payment = small press/indie press
>> partial payment = semi-pro
>> payment = professional
>>
>> This is the industry standard, not my personal opinion.
>>
>> The annual anthology, again, is best of the monthly ezine, and can only
>> be defined in relation to it.
>>
>> I do not charge anyone for copies.  The book is published through Amazon
>> as Print-on-Demand.
>
> Lying Michael, you're selling it on Amazon for $17.70.
> https://www.amazon.com/Year-Sundays-Official-Poetry-Journal/dp/B0DWSW8VNL
> Amazon didn't set that price; you did.
>
>> Amazon charges for printing costs.  I don't receive
>> any money for it.
>
> Once again, HarryLiar, you're charging your writers $17.70 per copy. How
> much of that you keep as profit, and how much Amazon takes, is
> irrelevant.
>
>> Print-on-Demand came about *after* your brief flirtation with the small
>> press, and changed the game (and the rules) entirely.
>
>> Small press publishers no longer send out contributor copies, because
>> they no longer print their own copies.
>
> You can send out contributor copies using Amazon, HarryLiar. They'll not
> only print the copies but deliver them as well.
>
>> Xeroxed saddle stapled copies are a thing of the past.  Full color
>> perfect bound books cost too much money for a small press publisher to
>> send out.  So small press publishers adopt different means of paying
>> their contribs.
>
> You're using full color on the pages? That's an expense you don't need.
> Go to black and white for the inside and you could probably afford to
> send a copy to all 23 of your writers (assuming you can sell copies to
> anyone else).
>
>> Some allow contribs to open up an online version of their magazine from
>> which they can download it.  It's not going to be the same as the
>> perfect bound print version, but it lets them get an idea as to how
>> their poem would appear in print.
>>
>> Others offer their contribs copies at a discounted author's rate (which
>> is essentially what I do).  They simply charge the authors for cost and
>> shipping, then order the p-o-d copy for themselves, and forward it to
>> the author.
>>
>> Again, I don't know of any small press publications today that still
>> send comp. author copies as payment.
>>
>> A vanity press is no longer a magazine that charges contributors for
>> print copies; nor is it even a magazine that charges submission/reading
>> fees.  Most small, semi-pro, and professional poetry journals now charge
>> such fees.
>>
>> I do not.
>>
>> A vanity press today, is basically a press that charges for chapbooks
>> (as opposed to an author self-publishing).
>
> How does that differ from a commercial press? Don't the latter charge
> for the chapbooks they print?

Good point.