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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Who knows that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own return instruction final state? Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2024 13:45:08 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <7295d80cad171cd65cc39845362189aa88adca4f@i2pn2.org> References: <v8jh7m$30k55$1@dont-email.me> <v8kou4$3b2ta$1@dont-email.me> <v8lcir$3f6vr$4@dont-email.me> <v8ldcs$3fcgg$2@dont-email.me> <v8lem0$3ftpo$2@dont-email.me> <735401a612caec3eedb531311fd1e09b3d94521d@i2pn2.org> <v8lkdb$3h16a$1@dont-email.me> <5ee8b34a57f12b0630509183ffbd7c07804634b3@i2pn2.org> <v8ll4v$3h8m2$1@dont-email.me> <cbde765b8f9e769930b6c8589556907a41d9c256@i2pn2.org> <v8lm80$3h8m2$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2024 17:45:08 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1342258"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <v8lm80$3h8m2$3@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 4560 Lines: 87 On 8/3/24 12:35 PM, olcott wrote: > On 8/3/2024 11:32 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 8/3/24 12:16 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 8/3/2024 11:12 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 8/3/24 12:03 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 8/3/2024 10:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 8/3/24 10:26 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 8/3/2024 9:04 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>> Op 03.aug.2024 om 15:50 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>> On 8/3/2024 3:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Op 02.aug.2024 om 22:57 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>> Who here is too stupid to know that DDD correctly simulated >>>>>>>>>>> by HHH cannot possibly reach its own return instruction? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>>>>>>> { >>>>>>>>>>> HHH(DDD); >>>>>>>>>>> return; >>>>>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which proves that the simulation is incorrect. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When are you going to understand that you are not allowed >>>>>>>>> to disagree with the semantics of the x86 language? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not disagree. >>>>>>>> When are you going to understand that it is a deviation of the >>>>>>>> semantics of the x86 language to skip instructions of a halting >>>>>>>> program, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HHH(DDD) simulates DDD that calls HHH(DDD) to repeat the process. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it does this an infinite number of times the simulated DDD >>>>>>> never reaches its own return instruction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it does this a googolplex number of times the simulated DDD >>>>>>> never reaches its own return instruction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nope, the PARTIAL SIMULATION of DDD never reaches the return >>>>>> instruction. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For N = 0; while N <= googolplex; N++ >>>>> N instructions of DDD correctly emulated by HHH[N] never >>>>> reach their own "return" instruction final state. >>>>> >>>>> ∞ instructions of DDD correctly emulated by HHH[∞] never >>>>> reach their own "return" instruction final state. >>>>> >>>>> Thus any HHH that takes a wild guess that DDD emulated >>>>> by itself never halts is always correct. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The SIMULATION of DDD never reaches the return instruction. >>>> >>> >>> Great! Finally. >>> When we understand that the return instruction is halt state >>> of DDD then DDD correctly simulated by HHH never halts. >>> >> No, you are just proving you are incapable of learning. >> >> The PARTIAL simulation of DDD done by HHH doesn't reach the return >> instruction. >> > > ∞ instructions of DDD correctly emulated by HHH[∞] never > reach their own "return" instruction final state. > > So you are saying that the infinite one does? > I said for the HHH's that do a partial simulation it does. I did not say the one that did an infinite number of steps does, but each HHH has a different DDD. a *FACT* you don't seem to understand due to your stupidity and self-brainwashing. Your problem is it seems you INTENTIONALLY made yourself IGNORANT of the facts of the domain, out of a fear that it would "brainwash" you, but instead chose to brainwash yourself with your ignorance. Sorry you ruined your life that way.