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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Observe the trend Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 07:27:56 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <735tsjl2hs5plafjvoa9ef10217idps4o6@4ax.com> References: <vq8k3n$29ai1$1@dont-email.me> <vqar6h$2lnbh$1@dont-email.me> <vqehpj$3g1ui$1@dont-email.me> <vqghcq$41r$1@dont-email.me> <1paosjtj59vvqqe6ikjf02a54murfctvdm@4ax.com> <vqjdk9$jpso$2@dont-email.me> <hkpqsjpgtg9fonjon6dlvm0fj17uakr5r5@4ax.com> <vqlov3$163g0$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="13935"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:SJx9MT1LCXVZIj20uEny5Ui5DQo= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id BBFC622978C; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 03:28:12 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51BA5229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 03:28:10 -0400 (EDT) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 52A7S0k03510403 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 08:28:01 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1DD5622AE for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 07:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/A1DD5622AE; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 72DECDC01CA; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 08:27:59 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 08:27:59 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/i2pDzVx+VNFpnysitBE3dQke9jtOSW5Q= DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3994 On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 15:14:27 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: >On 9/03/2025 8:59 pm, Martin Harran wrote: >> On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 17:48:41 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >> >>> You're finally getting it! To creatures like us, special creation by God >>> looks like magic, yes. God conceives in his mind and speaks into existence. >> >> ""Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the >> heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and >> orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about >> the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years >> and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so >> forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and >> experience. >> >> "Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a >> Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking >> nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such >> an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a >> Christian and laugh it to scorn." >> >> St Augustine >> > >Augustine is referring to the _what_, not the _how_, right? He is referring to exactly what you are doing.