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On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 5:42:43 +0000, Frank Berger wrote:

> On 2/21/2025 4:40 AM, Zionazi wrote:
>> Or rather the Moral imperative is to follow This guideline. But it does
>> not forbid murder — as many people (Not orthodox Jews, because there is
>> Capital Punishment in Judaism) seem to believe.
>>
>> It’s just many people don’t have an eye for Details.. Pope Francis
>> abandoned the death Penalty eh?
>>
>> The Problem with christianity is this Ideology of „turning the other
>> cheek“ (especially Protestants seem to have fallen prey for this idiocy)
>> — Id argue that Christian socialization made many people in the West too
>> soft-hearted, Like they turned people into These do-gooders, into These
>> wannabe good Samaritans
>
> I can't follow what you are trying to say.  In Judaism, God said not to
> commit murder. He did not say not to kill.  Killing is OK in certain

I can’t speak Hebrew, but according to Google translation „לֹא תִּרְצָח“
translates to „though shall not murder“. Same in German. Now you can
also Interpret This as „do Not murder“ — but there is a difference in
These two Phrases - in their meaning - to „You _must_ Not murder“.

In Judaism it is Not only okay to kill someone in certain situations,
but also to murder someone in certain situations. Seems Like You don’t
really understand the distinctions im Making Here. One distinction im
Making is between „You _shall_ Not murder“/„_do_ not murder“ and „You
_must_ not murder“

There is Capital punishment in Judaism, so obviously murdering someone
is allowed. If you imprison Eichmann — he‘s not a threat anymore — and
then Hang him, You’re murdering him (according to the Mosaic law,
Capital punishment is Applied to murderers — such as Eichmann).

The Point Im trying to make is simple: Judaism allows murder, and the
commandment is just a General guideline — not a Prohibition to murder.

> circumstances - self-defense (but not even always then), just wars,
> etc., a few other instances. The requirements for capital punishment are
> strict. It is traditionally believed that capital punishment was rare,
> even in antiquity.

So You See, murder is allowed in Judaism.