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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2024 07:34:09 -0500 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <75921cc1f17cdb691969a99e666f237cd09c0b09@i2pn2.org> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vijrru$37ce1$1@dont-email.me> <vikh9k$3cua3$1@dont-email.me> <viml28$6j3$1@dont-email.me> <0b1bb1a1-40e3-464f-9e3d-a5ac22dfdc6f@tha.de> <95183b4d9c2e32651963bac79965313ad2bfe7e8@i2pn2.org> <vj6vhh$elqh$2@dont-email.me> <33512b63716ac263c16b7d64cd1d77578c8aea9d@i2pn2.org> <vj9s4i$11a3p$1@dont-email.me> <vjam6d$1700v$1@dont-email.me> <vjc65g$1i9vk$3@dont-email.me> <vjf7kl$2s7e5$1@dont-email.me> <vjfmq3$2upa9$3@dont-email.me> <c6b624cb0b1b55d54aab969ee5b4e283ec7be3cd@i2pn2.org> <vjhp8b$3gjbv$1@dont-email.me> <dc9e7638be92c4d158f238f8c042c8559cd46521@i2pn2.org> <vjjg6p$3tvsg$1@dont-email.me> <c31edc62508876748c8cf69f93ab80c0a7fd84ac@i2pn2.org> <vjka3b$1tms$3@dont-email.me> <e11a34c507a23732d83e3d0fcde7b609cdaf3ade@i2pn2.org> <vjmse3$k2go$2@dont-email.me> <069069bf23698c157ddfd9b62b9b2f632b484c40@i2pn2.org> <vjooeq$11n0g$2@dont-email.me> <2d3620a6e2a8a57d9db7a33c9d476fe03cac455b@i2pn2.org> <vjrfcc$1m1b2$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2024 12:34:09 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3295327"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vjrfcc$1m1b2$1@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3113 Lines: 39 On 12/17/24 4:13 AM, WM wrote: > On 17.12.2024 00:52, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 12/16/24 3:30 AM, WM wrote: >>> On 15.12.2024 21:21, joes wrote: > >>>>> Therefore we use all [1, n]. >>>> Those are all finite. >>> >>> All n are finite. >> >> But N isn't, so the sets [1, n] aren't what the bijection is defined on. > > Every element is the last element of a FISON [1, n]. ℕ is the set of all > FISONs. I use all FISONs. ∀n ∈ ℕ: f([1, n]) =< 1/10. > Ever heard of the effect of the universal quantifier? But your logic can't deal with ALL Fisons. Note, the mapping isn't in your [1, n] but in N. Your logic that if it holds for all FISONs, it holds for N, is what shows that 0 == 1, so we see that logic is broken when it is applied to truly infinite things. > >>> All intervals do it because there is no n outside of all intervals >>> [1, n]. My proof applies all intervals. >> >> And all the intervals are finite, and thus not the INFINITE set N, >> which is where the bijection occurs. > > According to Cantor the "bijection" uses all n and nothing more. Right, but no FISON uses contains ALL n. > > Regards, WM >