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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Muon paradox Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 21:33:25 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <75fbe48e6817b890023bcb9892725dc7@www.novabbs.com> References: <d74079263e98ec581c4ccbdab5c5fa65@www.novabbs.com> <vsh92t$3mltr$1@dont-email.me> <d6b9dd687bfe1c27ced89d9c3657a2f5@www.novabbs.com> <vsj1ic$1bsmo$4@dont-email.me> <2bdd195b-8d8c-fb0e-aa81-655bbe2fe820@somewhere.in.the.aether> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2868488"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="HcQFdl4zp4UQRQ9N18ivMn6Fl9V8n4SPkK4oZHLgYdQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: a2f761a7401f13abeefca3440f16b2f27b708180 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$SRhfwY1nhfcr3Q7J8s/OMuLFjfP1P0KBdyt1qPJm.vR8xuexOViBW Bytes: 3617 Lines: 49 On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 19:32:00 +0000, Aether Regained wrote: > Paul.B.Andersen: >> Den 01.04.2025 21:06, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen: >>> It's easy to understand that the lifetime of the muons is longer and >>> that time dilation is an illogical fiction divorced from physics. >> >> The measured mean lifetime of a stationary muon is 2.2 μs >> The measured mean lifetime of a muon moving at 0.999668⋅c is 85.36 μs. >> >> These are measured facts! >> >> You claim this is easy to understand without using SR, >> so please explain why muons live longer when they are moving. >> > > SR is obfuscation piled upon obfuscation. It doesn't help in > understanding anything. > > Instead, I'll offer an analogy that illustrates what a real explanation > would be like. > > Consider a heat shield that any spacecraft that has to renter the > atmosphere needs. If such a heat shield, while testing in a lab, is > heated to the operational temperature, say 1000 degC, and the time taken > to return to room temperature is measured as t_cooldown_lab. Now the > same heat shield when in operation, that is during reentry, as it is > hurtling through the atmosphere, takes far longer to cool down. Of > course, this is because its high speed travel through the atmosphere > heats it up. > > Now, let us use Feynman's hunch that a muon is simply an excited > electron, an electron vibrating like a bell if you will, or simply a > "hot" electron. A muon/hot-electron at rest will cool down fast, but the > same hot-electron when hurtling through the aether will remain in its > excited state for longer. In light of the analogy to the heat shield, > there is nothing surprising about this. Just as it is absurd to say that > time dilates when the heat shield is in motion, causing it to stay > heated for longer, it is similarly absurd to say that time dilates when > a hot-electron is in motion! There necessarily exists a better explanation for the muon's survival than the ad hoc concept of time dilation. You are right that SR is obfuscation as Heaviside said: "Years later, after Einstein had published his relativity papers, Heaviside commented, "I don't find Einstein's Relativity agrees with me. It is the most unnatural and difficult to understand way of representing facts that could be thought of. . . . And I really think that Einstein is a practical joker, pulling the legs of his enthusiastic followers, more Einsteinisch than he."" - "albert in relativityland"