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From: wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 09:13:03 +0800
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On Tue, 2025-07-15 at 20:02 -0500, olcott wrote:
> On 7/15/2025 7:47 PM, Andr=C3=A9 G. Isaak wrote:
> > On 2025-07-15 18:39, olcott wrote:
> > > On 7/15/2025 7:34 PM, Andr=C3=A9 G. Isaak wrote:
> > > > On 2025-07-15 17:53, olcott wrote:
> > > > > On 7/15/2025 6:45 PM, Andr=C3=A9 G. Isaak wrote:
> > > > > > On 2025-07-15 17:35, olcott wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > > > > > You still make the same mistake with the implication operator=
..
> > > > > > > That has always been the wrong operator for PROVES.
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > You're being an idiot. The principle of explosion can be stated=
=20
> > > > > > either in terms of implication or proof. I prefer implication. =
I'm=20
> > > > > > not mistaking one symbol for another. I'm saying exactly what I=
=20
> > > > > > intend to say.
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > Andr=C3=A9
> > > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Yet implication is not even truth preserving.
> > > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > You seem to be using some private definition of 'truth preserving'.=
=20
> > > > Did you get that one from claude.ai as well?
> > > >=20
> > > > Andr=C3=A9
> > > >=20
> > >=20
> > > the characteristic of an argument where,
> > > if the premises are true, the conclusion
> > > must also be true.
> > >=20
> > > When the antecedent is false the consequent
> > > can be true with the "=E2=86=92" operator.
> >=20
> > And how would that make it non-truth preserving?
> >=20
>=20
> If you start with falsity end end up with truth then
> the operation was not truth preserving.
>=20
> If there are tens of thousands of textbooks that
> disagree then they are necessarily incorrect when
> we go by the compositional meaning of the terms
> of "truth" and "preserving". To make a term of the
> art meaning that disagrees with the compositional
> meaning has always been dishonest.
>=20

This is a typical "learn-by-rote".
The Halting Problem is clear... there is always a counter-case an
assumed H cannot solve.

This is FACT, not influenced by ANY theory/rule: "1+1=3D2", Logic,..., have=
 no=C2=A0
effect on this fact.

> > You're very confused. Since you seem to trust/overrely on wikipedia, yo=
u=20
> > can check against the following:
> >=20
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_function#Algebraic_properties
> >=20
> > Andr=C3=A9
> >=20
> >=20
>=20