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On 09/17/2024 11:41 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 09/17/2024 04:34 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anybody even bother to think about vis-viva versus vis-motrix
>>> anymore, with regards to conservation, momentum, inertia, and energy,
>>> and potential and impulse energy?
>>
>> Of course not. These are obsolete distinctions,
>> from a time when energy and momentum conservation was not corectly
>> understood.
>> The matter was put to rest by Christiaan Huygens
>> by showing (for particle collisions)
>> that momentum conservation and energy conservation
>> are distinct conservation laws, that are both needed,
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>> Is it usually considered at all that momentum and inertia change
>>> places with respect to resistance to change of motion and rest
>>> respectively sort of back and forth in the theory since antiquity?
>>>
>>> Several times?
>
> Au contraire, there is yet definition up, in the air, as it were.
>
> Find any reference to fictitious forces and for a theory
> where the potential fields are what's real and the classical
> field's just a projection to a perspective in the middle,
> and anything at all to do with the plainly empirical or
> tribological with regards to our grandly theoretical,
> and one may find that the definitions of "inertia" and
> "momentum" with regards to resistance to changes in motion
> and resistance to changes in rest, as with regards to
> weight and as with regards to heft, have rotated each
> few hundred years, as with regards to the great schism
> whence Newton's vis-motrix, as with regards to the vis-insita
> and Leibnitz' vis-viva, as what for example can be read into
> from the Wikipedia on conservation of _energy_ and conservation
> of _momentum_ up to today, where for example, the "infinitely-many
> higher orders of theoretical acceleration are both formally
> non-zero and vanishing" because "zero meters/second
> equals infinity seconds/meter".
>
> So, for a true centrifugal, and quite all about the derivative
> and anti-derivative as with regards to momentum, inertia,
> and kinetic energy, in a theory what's of course sum-of-histories
> sum-of-potentials with least action and gradient, or sum-of-potentials,
> it is so that the various under-defined concepts of the plain laws
> of after Newton, are as yet un-defined, and there are a variety
> of considerations as with regards to the multiplicities, or
> these singularities, and the reciprocities, of these projections.
>
>
> So, some of these considerations as since "Mediaeval Times",
> help reflect that Einstein's not alone in his, 'attack on Newton'.
>
>

Moment and Motion:  a story of momentum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH-Gh-bBb7M&list=PLb7rLSBiE7F4eHy5vT61UYFR7_BIhwcOY

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