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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: Charles Bukowski
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 01:38:23 +0000
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General-Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
>>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:46:33 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> Zod wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 2:56:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> >> On Jul 24, 10:00 am, baloney wrote:
>>>> >> > "Vera" wrote
>>>
>>>> >> > > > His name suggests a Polish background.
>>>> >> > > > I found little of his poetry in Google, but maybe I didn't
>>>> >> > > > search well enough. Don't have that much time on the net--
>>>> >> > > > Would someone be so kind as to post something of his
>>>> >> > > > (not in complete form, of course!) Best to leave out a middle
>>>> >> > > > part rather than that essential last line.
>>>> >> > > > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!
>>>> >> > > > Thank you!
>>>> >> > > > Vera
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > > huh? you're copying Bukowski? I think you like
>>>> >> > > yourself WAY too much for there to ever be
>>>> >> > > any confusion about the two.
>>>
>>>> >> > I think someone else compared Vera's style to Buk's, and she
>>>> doesn't
>>>> >> > know much about him, so she is curious.
>>>
>>>> >> Probably the "chopped-up-prose" thing, I guess,
>>>
>>>> >> > Someone at the local strip mall said the old man looked like Jimmy
>>>> >> > Buffet, so he asked me who he is for much the same reason. My
>>>> answer
>>>> >> > was, "Well, he isn't Warren Buffet; I think he's a musician." I
>>>> >> > looked up Jimmy Buffet, and excepting the ubiquitous Hawaiian
>>>> shirt, I
>>>> >> > still think the old man looks more like Teddy Roosevelt. "Bully!"
>>>> >> Interesting that Buffett /and/ Roosevelt come to mind constantly when
>>>> >> I'm around Barfield, he's got the swashbucking sailor-rough riding
>>>> >> warrior poet thing down, and have lived it since I first met him as a
>>>> >> kid.
>>>> >> On the Buffett angle, here's probably the ultimate JB song-poem:
>>>> >> A Pirate Looks At Forty
>>>> >> Mother, mother ocean, I have heard you call
>>>> >> Wanted to sail upon your waters since I was three feet tall
>>>> >> You've seen it all, you've seen it all
>>>> >> Watched the men who rode you switch from sails to steam
>>>> >> And in your belly you hold the treasures few have ever seen
>>>> >> Most of 'em dream, most of 'em dream
>>>> >> Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late
>>>> >> The cannons don't thunder, there's nothin' to plunder
>>>> >> I'm an over-forty victim of fate
>>>> >> Arriving too late, arriving too late
>>>> >> I've done a bit of smugglin', I've run my share of grass
>>>> >> I made enough money to buy Miami, but I pissed it away so fast
>>>> >> Never meant to last, never meant to last
>>>> >> And I have been drunk now for over two weeks
>>>> >> I passed out and I rallied and I sprung a few leaks
>>>> >> But I got stop wishin', got to go fishin'
>>>> >> Down to rock bottom again
>>>> >> Just a few friends, just a few friends
>>>> >> (instrumental)
>>>> >> I go for younger women, lived with several awhile
>>>> >> Though I ran 'em away, they'd come back one day
>>>> >> Still could manage to smile
>>>> >> Just takes a while, just takes a while
>>>> >> Mother, mother ocean, after all the years I've found
>>>> >> My occupational hazard being my occupation's just not around
>>>> >> I feel like I've drowned, gonna head uptown
>>>> >> Coda:
>>>> >> I feel like I've drowned, gonna head uptown
>>>> >> -Jimmy Buffett, 1974
>>>> >> > Wry little poem by Buk, thanks for posting.
>>>> >> It probably goes without saying that Buk's one of my favorites,
>>>> though
>>>> >> his name hasn't come up much lately (the last time was prbably when I
>>>> >> compared Chuck's "shock" style to Buk)... Dale Houstman gave me a
>>>> very
>>>> >> memorable paperback book blurb quote when he wrote that I was "...a
>>>> >> better poet than Bukowski..." or something similar.
>>>> >> Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few
>>>> hours
>>>> >> of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
>>>> >> poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
>>>> >> there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when
>>>> the
>>>> >> time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes
>>>> >> "...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
>>>> >> killed her."
>>>> >> and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
>>>> >> friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
>>>> >> where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
>>>> >> they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.
>>>
>>>> >> "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
>>>> >> http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
>>>> >> "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
>>>> >> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>>>
>>>> > I know Penhead will enjoy this one... ha ha.
>>>> Thanks again, Zod.
>>>>
>>>> Charles Bukowski is an obvious influence on my poetry style.
>
>>> Your poetry makes Charles Bukowski
>
>> Says Michael Pendragon, the delusional nutjob who thinks he's a better
>> poet than T.S. Eliot.
>
>> HTH and HAND.
>
>
> Quiet, we don't want Pen coming back to respond, let sleeping trolls
> lie.. ha ha.

Now he's back, as Harry Lime...

And you're gone.

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