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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Kicking the straw-man deception
 out on its ass
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 19:42:19 -0500
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On 3/2/25 5:28 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 3/2/2025 4:15 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>> Op 02.mrt.2025 om 22:21 schreef olcott:
>>> int DD()
>>> {
>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>> }
>>>
>>> _DD()
>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>>> [00002155] c3         ret
>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>>
>>> DD emulated by HHH according to the behavior that DD
>>> specifies cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction
>>> and terminate normally.
>>>
>>> This process computes the mapping from the actual input
>>> (not any other damn thing) finite string to the non
>>> terminating behavior that this finite specifies when
>>> it calls its own emulator in recursive emulation.
>>
>> In other words 'non terminating behavior' means that *HHH* was unable 
>> to reach the 'ret' instruction. 
> 
> Not at all. The fact that DD calls its own emulator
> makes DD unable to reach its own "ret" instruction.
> 

No, it calls a specific emulator, that of a given HHH. There is no 
requirement for the program DD to be emulated by that program.

You are just proving that you don't understand what a program is. 
Programs are independent entities, that operate on their own. They don't 
need an "emulator" to run them. Depending on your computation structure, 
they may need a "processor" to run them, which in this case would be an 
x86 processor, or a correct software emulator of one, but the program is 
defined as using a fully correct complete operation of that program, not 
what some partial operation done by a partial (and thus incorrect) 
emulator/decider.

Your ignorance of this just shows how little you know, and your 
rejection of it when it is pointed out just shows you don't care about 
the facts, just your pathological lies about it.