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From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
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Subject: Re: Harry Liar recycles an old Pedodragon lie
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:40:29 +0000
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:08:35 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

> from
> https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=255723&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#255723
>
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>> You not only supported both Ginsberg and Pickles, but
>>>> you mistakenly claimed that NAMBLA had done more to support LGBT rights
>>>> than any other organization.
>>>
>>> No, Lying Michael. I told you that I agreed that gay sex for anyone
>>> above the age of consent should be legal, pointed out that NAMBLA was
>>> the only
>>> group in Canada campaigning for that, and even called you a "homophobe"
>>> when
>>> you insisted that it should continue to be illegal.
>>
>> I have your original statement on file, George, and can repost it if
>> necessary.
>>
>>>> You later retracted that claim, but the
>>>> damage to your reputation had already been done.
>>>
>>> No, Lying Michael. I still believe that gay sex between "children" above
>>> the
>>> age of consent should be legal, while you continue to lie and
>>> misrepresent that claim.
>>
>> No one ever said that sex, gay or straight, between two people above the
>> age of consent should not be legal, George.
>>
>> This is yet another attempt at a straw man argument on your part -- not
>> to mention a pathetic attempt to turn the discussion away from what
>> you'd actually said.
>
> No, it isn't, Lying Michael; but that means that we'll have to see what
> I
> "actually said."

Agreed, duplicitous George. That's why I'd *reposted* it (in context)
immediately below.

>> Which means that I'm going to have to repost your *actual* statement in
>> context:
>>
>> MMP: As previously noted (do try to get some reading comprehension
>> skills, old man), I have never made an issue of the participants' sex.
>>
>> DUNCE: Another Pedodragon lie. You've ranted and raved for a month about
>> the group that's done the most to fight the above discrimination.
>>
>> MMP: NAMBLA??? Are you seriously attempting to argue that NAMBLA is
>> spearheading the fight against sexual discrimination???
>> [END OF QUOTED PASSAGE]
> I like how you snipped your last paragraph, where you answer your own
> question:
> <quote>
> "*** That's right. George Dunce believes that NAMBLA is "the group
> that's done the most to fight (sexual) discrimination." He also accused
> me of being a "homophobe" and a "Nazi" for having attacked them." </q>
>
> As noted, I called NAMBLA the group that did "the most to fighting the
> above discrimination." There's no way to tell from your post what
> discrimination I was talking about, since you posted that statement out
> of context - at least twice - as an OP so no one could tell. Then you
> made up a story (that I was talking about "sexual discrimination" in
> general), which you've now changed (to claim I
> was talking about "LGBT rights").

IIRC, "LGBT rights" is what *you* had told me it was in reference to at
the time.


> First you posted under the title of "DUNCE OUTED!!!" on December 7,
> 2017. I responded the same day, to tell you that was not what I was
> talking about:
>
> <quote>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 7:53:01 AM UTC-5,
> michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> <sigh> Yet another Pedodragon lie. I called Pedodragon a fascist because
> he wants to criminalize sex for people over the age of consent,
> including gays: specifically, gays between the age of consent and the
> unspecified higher age for anal sex he's advocating.
> I did point out that NAMBLA's been fighting the legal battle against the
> pedo's homophobic laws for decades, and here in Canada at least the
> "pedophiles" (as he'd call them) on the Supreme Court have agreed with
> them: those laws are unconstitutional. </q>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/EnkIgYG-nwk/m/k-23aCsLAQAJ

You seem to be supporting your claims even now, George.  But go on.


> I also responded to your Chimp's backup flaming on the same thread:
> <q>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 8:32:53 AM UTC-5, drive-by wrote:
>> NAMBLA fights age restrictions regarding young boys
>
> Boys 16-21, in the case of the laws we were discussing.
>
>> under the guise of 'freedom of speech' to avoid crossing the line into a
>> cell..Pedophilia is alive and well, unfortunately, but NAMBLA is
>> basically defunct at this point.
>> Homophobia and Nazi originated from the lips of Pickering
>
> "Nazi" was a Pendragon lie. I called him a fascist, because he wants to
> throw even (some) adults into jail for having consensual sex.

"Nazi" and "fascist" are more or less interchangeable -- especially in
informal conversation.  A Nazi is a specific type of fascist.

Nor have I ever advocated throwing adults into jail for having
consensual sex.  I argued that adults who had sex with *minors* should
be thrown in jail -- with the age of a "minor" being determined by the
state in which the "consensual" sex occurred.

> And he's clearly a homophobe if he wants to throw males 17-21 into jail
> just for having anal sex.

You have failed to provide a quote to back up that statement, George --
and I cannot imagine my ever having said such a thing.

In fact, I never argued that the laws regarding homosexual sex should be
any different from those regarding heterosexual sex.

I don't care whether a 40-year old man is sticking his pecker in a man
or a woman.  But if they're sticking it in a person of either sex who's
not of Legal Age, then they should be arrested for Statutory Rape --
which is precisely what they are committing.

> And he's a stupid homophobe if he really believes that throwing anyone
> in jail is going to protect them from the risks of anal sex.
> </q>

I have never argued against anal sex, George.

If a statutory rapist is having anal sex in jail, one can assume that
his partners are all of Legal Age (otherwise they'd be in a Juvenile
Detention facility).


> You responded by snipping what I told you. Then, you posted the same
> deceptive post the next day, under the title of "GEORGE DANCE,
> NAMBLA-MAN," where you claimed that by "fight[ing] the above
> discrimination" I was talking about "human rights" in general.
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/V91D2MnuxtU/m/3t8tdrL-BgAJ
>
> The only replies to that one were two sock puppets: one using my name,
> and one using Zod's.

That sounds much more probable.  I don't recall if I'd used socks in
that instance, but it is at least something that I would have done.


> You may have actually posted that deceitful, out-of-context post more
> than twice, but those were the only two I've tracked down.

LOL!  I posted that DOZENS of times, George.

After all, your claim that NAMBLA was "the group that's done the most to
fight the above discrimination" was one worth repeating.

One should know exactly the type of person that George Dance actually
is.

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