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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2024 22:52:12 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <7f11802edaa12524fafd6cd3bf18906fb22a61ef@i2pn2.org> References: <v8o47a$3ml4$1@dont-email.me> <0ec454016dab6f6d6dd5580f5d0eea49569293d8@i2pn2.org> <v8oigl$6kik$1@dont-email.me> <6ec9812649b0f4a042edd1e9a1c14b93e7b9a16b@i2pn2.org> <v8ol2g$74lk$1@dont-email.me> <v8v61f$29aqq$1@dont-email.me> <v8vrsb$32fso$5@dont-email.me> <v91r57$3qct4$1@dont-email.me> <v92gpl$p1$4@dont-email.me> <v92h4i$3srn5$23@dont-email.me> <v92qhi$37e9$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:52:12 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1932052"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v92qhi$37e9$2@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2859 Lines: 48 On 8/8/24 12:08 PM, olcott wrote: > On 8/8/2024 8:27 AM, Python wrote: >> Le 08/08/2024 à 15:21, Peter Olcott a écrit : >> ... >>> *Semantic property of well-behaved is decided for input* >>> It the program well behaved thus halts? >>> else The program is not well behaved. >> >> "well behaved" is not a property of programes or Turing Machines. >> > > *It is a Stipulative definition* > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipulative_definition > > I can stipulate that an input has the semantic property > of has_not_ate_lunch_yet where has_not_ate_lunch_yet means > that the input halts and ~has_not_ate_lunch_yet means the > input cannot be determined to halt. Nope. You can stipulate a definition, not a fact. Yes, you could stipulate that the property "has_not_ate_lunch_yet" means that the input halts. You can not stipulate that a given input has that property, as either it does or it doesn't, and you stipulation doesn't affect that. Sorry, you just don't understand what the term means. There is a different meaning in legal context, where a stipulation is an agreement to a statement of fact claimed by your opponent, but that doesn't apply here. > > >> "well behaved" is a property of human beings that YOU do not have. >> >> You lie, you deceive, you abuse, you commit blasphemy in courts and >> collect child pornography [this is documented]. >> >> As a bigot you believe that this can bring you to Hell. >> >> Fortunately there is no God, no Hell, so you'll just vanished into >> oblivion. >> >> >> > >