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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2025 10:25:58 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <7fc40cc2dbd42016a62aa0374d545e9e787a7da3@i2pn2.org> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <8ef20494f573dc131234363177017bf9d6b647ee@i2pn2.org> <vl95ks$3vk27$2@dont-email.me> <vl9ldf$3796$1@dont-email.me> <vlaskd$cr0l$2@dont-email.me> <vlc68u$k8so$1@dont-email.me> <vldpj7$vlah$7@dont-email.me> <a8b010b748782966268688a38b58fe1a9b4cc087@i2pn2.org> <vlei6e$14nve$1@dont-email.me> <66868399-5c4b-4816-9a0c-369aaa824553@att.net> <vlir7p$24c51$1@dont-email.me> <417ff6da-86ee-4b3a-b07a-9c6a8eb31368@att.net> <vllfof$2n0uj$2@dont-email.me> <07258ab9-eee1-4aae-902a-ba39247d5942@att.net> <vlmst2$2vjr0$3@dont-email.me> <1ebbc233d6bab7878b69cae3eda48c7bbfd07f88@i2pn2.org> <vlo5f4$39hil$2@dont-email.me> <4c89380adaad983f24d5d6a75842aaabbd1adced@i2pn2.org> <vloule$3eqsr$1@dont-email.me> <ffffed23878945243684de7f2aa9aaaf29564508@i2pn2.org> <vlrej9$2m5k$1@dont-email.me> <d6ed4797-65e8-4004-853c-f07a37af0c11@att.net> <vls4j6$7v2k$3@dont-email.me> <adef9ec5c327614374fdc3c3cc55d7a753e28a36@i2pn2.org> <vltfo8$heoh$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2025 10:25:58 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3064100"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3354 Lines: 29 Am Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:04:56 +0100 schrieb WM: > On 11.01.2025 01:28, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 1/10/25 4:48 PM, WM wrote: >>> On 10.01.2025 21:08, Jim Burns wrote: >>> >>>> Where OUR infinityⁿᵒᵗᐧᵂᴹ "doesn't work", >>>> it's you who's saying it doesn't work, >>> You are inconsistent. You claim that all natural numbers are an >>> invariable set. But when all elements are doubled then your set grows, >>> showing it is not invariable. That is nonsense. >> But the set doesn't grow. >> Which element is in the doubled set that wasn't there in the first >> place? > The number of elements remains constant. All odd numbers of ℕ are > deleted. That implies that new even numbers are added. Nope. This is all just your conception of Aleph_0 as finite. It does not behave like that. All countable sets are bijective to each other. > "The infinite sequence thus defined has the peculiar property to contain > the positive rational numbers completely, and each of them only once at > a determined place." [G. Cantor, letter to R. Lipschitz (19 Nov 1883)] This just means it is a bijection to N, which has an order. > If Cantor has constructed a sequence containing all even numbers of the > original set ℕ, then the doubled even numbers are missing. What? Doubled even numbers are also even numbers. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.