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On Mon, 24 Jun 2024 20:59:18 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 6/24/2024 3:57 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ISTM anti-VC folks are two main camps. The larger one is "I gotta never
>>> ever inconvenience a motorist, so I gotta ride inches from the edge, and
>>> ride on the sidewalk, and maybe stop if a car come. Oh, and traffic laws
>>> don't apply to bikes."
>>>
>>> The second camp says "Riding a bike on any normal road is just too
>>> dangerous. We need to spend fortunes on 'innovative' bike chutes so
>>> anyone 8 to 80 can ride wherever they go. Then bike use will soar and
>>> our cities will finally be saved!" (The second group is nuttier than the
>>> first.)
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, people who are competent at VC techniques are riding where
>>> they like with almost zero problems. They find it just works.
>>>
>> That’s kinda the issue with it isn’t it, it reduces the cyclists to
>> essentially brave confident male roadies, which for example the Embankment
>> in London was historically.
>
>Um... brave confident male roadies like the ladies in this video?
>https://cyclingsavvy.org/
>
>> Let alone larger faster roads which just don’t get used, as well it’s
>> frankly not a pleasant experience.
>> 
>> Strava Heatmap/metro shows the shocking amount of cycling in Youngstown or
>> rather lack of it, with only the parks and main strip having any apparent
>> numbers ie a pale blue. Rather than the white surrounding areas.
>> 
>> Numbers must be barely recordable, indeed numbers recorded are in the low
>> hundreds which is for a city of what half a million people is lamentable
>> low.
>
>I'm not a Stravite, so I don't pay a lot of attention to heatmaps. But 
>AFAIK Strava is most popular with the brave confident male roadies you 
>seem to disparage. I doubt any of the women in the video I linked above 
>would bother with Strava. They're not "striving" to get faster and 
>faster, which is what that program's about. They're just riding.
>
>I'm sure Youngstown's bike mode share is minuscule, just like almost all 
>U.S. cities. Remember, the national average is far below one percent. 
>And despite all the "innovative" segregated infrastructure, it's falling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_with_most_bicycle_commuters

It appears that bicycling to work is common in many cities. I suspect
the number of bicycle commuters in any location has an inverse
correlation to the average commuting distance. Urban living doesn't
have much appeal these days and when people move to the suburbs or to
rural sites, their commuting distance increases.

>Why is it falling? I suspect one factor is the constant propaganda 
>claiming everyone NEEDS a barrier-segregated facility to be safe on a 
>bike. 

Assumes "facts" not in evidence. 

>That tells almost everybody "You can't ride a bike until that 
>stuff gets built." IOW, never.

Apparently, the constant propaganda from the save the planet loons is
what isn't working. I'm pretty sure that bicycling in the USA is going
to remain a predominantly recreational activity.