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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
 rebuttals ---PSR---
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 07:17:46 -0400
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On 3/8/25 10:24 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 3/8/2025 9:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 3/8/25 6:30 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 3/8/2025 5:01 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>> On 3/8/2025 5:47 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 3/8/2025 4:26 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 11:41 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:01 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:09 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 3:06 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-07 15:11:53 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The code proves otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A program does not prove. In particular, it does not prove 
>>>>>>>>>> that no
>>>>>>>>>> different program exists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The source code 100% perfectly proves exactly what it
>>>>>>>>> actually does. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The source code contains a finite sequence of truth preserving 
>>>>>>>> steps between axioms and a statement?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The source code 100% completely specifies every single detail
>>>>>>> of exactly what it does on each specific input.
>>>>>>> Saying that it does not do this is counter-factual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, the source code does not meet the definition of a 
>>>>>> proof, so your claim is false.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dumb Bunny:
>>>>> *Proof[0] is anything that shows that X is necessarily true*
>>>>> *and thus impossibly false*
>>>>>
>>>>> The source-code in Halt7.c combined with the input to HHH
>>>>> conclusively proves every detail of the behavior of HHH on
>>>>> this input. Disagreeing this is either foolish or dishonest.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A proof is a finite sequence of truth preserving steps between the 
>>>> axioms of a system and a true statement that show the statement is 
>>>> true.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Proof[math] tries unsuccessfully to inherit from proof[0].
>>> I am stipulating that I have always been referring to proof[0].
>>
>> And I am pointing out that it IS the same, it is just that you don't 
>> understand that "Show" implies FINITE.
>>
> 
> In that single aspect you are correct.
> Show that X is definitely true and thus impossibly false
> by any means what-so-ever is not proof[math].

or proof[0], since you can not SHOW something "by any means" if those 
means are not showable due to not being finite.

> 
>> You are just proving your stupidity by repeating your disproved claim.
>>
>>>
>>> If you cannot understand the Halt7.c conclusively proves[0]
>>> the actual behavior of HHH(DD) this is merely your lack of
>>> understanding and nothing more.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sure I can understand what it does, as Halt7.c shows that the behavior 
>> of the input is to HALT since that is what DD will do when main calls it.
>>
> 
> *WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS THEN YOU KNOW YOU WERE WRONG*
> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
> its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally
> because DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation.
> 
> 

But The HHH You are talking about doesn't do a correct simulation, so 
this statment is not applicable.

You seem to think that HHH can be two different programs at once.

This is just part of your FRAUD, that apparently you are so stupid you 
can understand how people see through.

Of course, having admitted to the fraud, by admitting that you are using 
wrong (as not the meaning as the terms-of-art from the context) 
definitions, you have admitted that you claims are based on lies (the 
wrong definitions).

You clearly just don't understand how even langugage works.

Sorry, you are just proving your reservation for the lake of fire.