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Subject: Re: What is "local =?UTF-8?B?dGltZSI/?=
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 19:43:59 +0000
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 13:34:57 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> W dniu 16.10.2024 o 05:45, gharnagel pisze:
> >
> > As usual, Wozniak is conflating two different
> > concepts.
>
> As usual, Harrie spits.

Says the congenital liar :-))

> And say nonsense about things he admits he
> doesn't know much about.

which Wozniak knows nothing about, which is why
he keeps conflating two different things.

> Well, it's not usual that he admits.

I don't know much, but I'm always observing.
Wozniak's problem is his false belief that he
knows more while only being a poor observer.

> > Humans try to model nature, and since, for
> > example, trees grow, die and decay, there
> > is something in nature that changes.
>
> Oh, there is a wide variety of things
> that change in nature. Time, however,
> is not any of them. There is no time
> in nature.

Wozniak is likely to get hit by a falling
rock; that is, one that is changing its
position in space as a function of time
passing.

> It's a purely virtual abstract invented
> by humans - for the purpose of describing.
> Describing nature and other things.

That's only ONE definition.  Wozniak is a
poor observer because he refuses to see the
other one.  This one:

"Time is what keeps everything from happening at
once" -- Ray Cummings

This is the one as real as a punch in the face.
The punch may come from a person (who is also a
part of nature), or it may come from a falling
rock.

> Time is almost always present in  any
> description of anything.  That's why
> it appears for weak minds to be something
> real.

Wozniak has a weak mind because he can't
understand that there are two kinds of
"time": the real one in nature and our
attempts to describe it (with clocks and
coordinates).

> > Clocks and coordinates and theories are ways
> > that we model time.  But they aren't time,
>
> Clocks are clocks, theories are theories.
> Time is obviously not any of them.

Agreed.  Time is a part of nature; it's neither
clocks nor theories.

> As for coordinates - we have created a
> number of them, and about 20-30 of them
> are times.

Of course, DUH!

> > just as the map is not the territory.

Just as a clock is not time.