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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: How to write a self-referencial TM?
Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 20:32:00 -0400
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On 5/16/25 5:40 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/16/2025 4:21 PM, wij wrote:
>> On Fri, 2025-05-16 at 15:38 -0500, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/16/2025 3:04 PM, Andy Walker wrote:
>>>> On 16/05/2025 16:57, Mike Terry wrote:
>>>> [I wrote:]
>>>>>>       Minsky's "Computation" has on its front cover [at least in the
>>>>>> Open University edition] and inside, as Fig. 7.2.9 on p142, a 
>>>>>> complete
>>>>>> UTM as a state-transition diagram. [...]
>>>>
>>>>> I found it on Amazon, and sure enough there on its front cover is
>>>>> the state transition diagram!  It sounds like a great book, but
>>>>> realistically I've already got too many books in my reading list...
>>>>
>>>>       It /is/ a great book.  Get* it, and re-order your reading
>>>> list to put it first.  The only other CS book that I couldn't put
>>>> down was the Algol 68 Revised Report.
>>>>
>>>>     * Somewhat on the other hand, I see that it's $silly on Amazon
>>>>       and on Abe, so perhaps you should rather borrow it from a
>>>>       library.  In the UK, it was going to be an Open University
>>>>       set book, with therefore guaranteed sales of many thousands,
>>>>       But then the OU pulled out, the book was remaindered, and I
>>>>       got a brand new copy for £tiny.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This repository contains any material needed to run Marvin Minsky's
>>> Universal Turing Machine in Martin Ugarte's "Turing Machine Simulator"
>>> and to demonstrate its vulnerability as described by Pontus Johnson
>>> https://github.com/rozek/Universal-Turing-Machine
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the info. that reminds me of your famous words "read by rote"
>>
> 
> Misquote. "Learned by rote" with zero depth of actual understanding.
> Not able to do much more than parrot quotes from textbooks.
> 


And all you can do is parrot by rote phrases that you don't understand 
what they mean.

The fact that you have admitted that you like to change the fundamental 
definitions means you admit that we can't trust anything you say to 
actually have the right meaning in the system.

That might be ok if you were actually working on a new system and 
stopped talking about what it does to the existing system, but since you 
don't actually care about the theory, just what it does to your logic 
ideas, that doesn't actually meet your goals.

So, you just need to try to live a life of lying and hope people don't 
notice, but we have gone past that and your theory is just sunk to the 
bottom of that lake of fire and burnt up.