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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR--- Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 09:55:31 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <8406e9a80f76066996ddc045c80c1feddbacff7c@i2pn2.org> References: <vq5qqc$1j128$2@dont-email.me> <2002d599ebdfb7cd5a023881ab2faca9801b219d@i2pn2.org> <vq8l3d$29b9l$1@dont-email.me> <4426787ad065bfd0939e10b937f3b8b2798d0578@i2pn2.org> <vq8mam$29b9l$5@dont-email.me> <920b573567d204a5c792425b09097d79ee098fa5@i2pn2.org> <vq9lvn$2ei4j$3@dont-email.me> <4453bc0c1141c540852ea2223a7fedefc93f564c@i2pn2.org> <vqadoh$2ivg7$2@dont-email.me> <vqae74$2ivcn$1@dont-email.me> <vqag6q$2jief$1@dont-email.me> <vqagb7$2ivcn$3@dont-email.me> <vqakhi$2jief$3@dont-email.me> <vqalvr$2ivcn$5@dont-email.me> <vqaq2s$2lgq7$2@dont-email.me> <vqasm4$2lue4$1@dont-email.me> <vqb43k$2mueq$1@dont-email.me> <vqb4ub$2lue4$3@dont-email.me> <vqb683$2mueq$2@dont-email.me> <vqbp05$2td95$1@dont-email.me> <vqcvlu$34c3r$3@dont-email.me> <vqecht$3epcf$1@dont-email.me> <vqf2lh$3j68u$5@dont-email.me> <vqf6mm$3j47v$4@dont-email.me> <vqg7ng$3qol2$3@dont-email.me> <vqh07g$26ac$1@dont-email.me> <vqhio1$5r7r$1@dont-email.me> <vqhoo7$64cl$2@dont-email.me> <vqi020$8e1u$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 09:55:31 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3558681"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Am Sat, 08 Mar 2025 11:50:56 -0600 schrieb olcott: > On 3/8/2025 9:46 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 08.mrt.2025 om 15:03 schreef olcott: >>> On 3/8/2025 2:47 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>> Op 08.mrt.2025 om 02:49 schreef olcott: >>>>> On 3/7/2025 10:25 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>> Op 07.mrt.2025 om 16:17 schreef olcott: >>>>>>> On 3/7/2025 2:59 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>> Op 06.mrt.2025 om 21:13 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>> On 3/6/2025 3:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Op 06.mrt.2025 om 04:53 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 9:31 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 10:17 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 7:10 PM, dbush wrote: >>> Apparently you don't understand that inputs to a simulating >>> termination analyzer specifying infinite recursion or recursive >>> emulation cannot possibly reach their own final state and terminate >>> normally. >> If we agree, what is the problem? >> We agree that HHH correctly reports that it cannot possibly bring the >> simulation of itself to a correct end. Yeah, so? >>>> Why would we want to use such an analyser that reports that it fails >>>> to complete the simulation? >>> Perhaps you incorrectly expect infinite loops to end? >> Wrong. I understand perfectly that HHH cannot possible reach the end of >> the simulation of itself and it correctly reports that it could not >> complete the simulation. > DD specifies non-termination. Now that is just wrong. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.