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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: else ladders practice Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2024 21:03:17 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: <861pytpb3e.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <3deb64c5b0ee344acd9fbaea1002baf7302c1e8f@i2pn2.org> <vg3b98$3cc8q$1@dont-email.me> <vg5351$3pada$1@dont-email.me> <vg62vg$3uv02$1@dont-email.me> <vgd3ro$2pvl4$1@paganini.bofh.team> <vgdc4q$1ikja$1@dont-email.me> <vgdt36$2r682$2@paganini.bofh.team> <vge8un$1o57r$3@dont-email.me> <vgpi5h$6s5t$1@paganini.bofh.team> <vgtsli$1690f$1@dont-email.me> <vhgr1v$2ovnd$1@paganini.bofh.team> <vhic66$1thk0$1@dont-email.me> <vhins8$1vuvp$1@dont-email.me> <vhj7nc$2svjh$1@paganini.bofh.team> <vhje8l$2412p$1@dont-email.me> <86y117qhc8.fsf@linuxsc.com> <vi2m3o$2vspa$1@dont-email.me> <86cyiiqit8.fsf@linuxsc.com> <vi4iji$3f7a3$1@dont-email.me> <86mshkos1a.fsf@linuxsc.com> <vi9ukc$ib2v$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 06:03:17 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cbb822f8f85af8befb29db6227d47c5b"; logging-data="1611253"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19/5vbRaVUNkKxcq1pHJ6Y0c8mKKfl5OQo=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:p526dCC46DVYDk2HXdHHfEqMzKc= sha1:dq++Ho0eMJxJFZpqFZfK3PNoPJA= Bytes: 3678 Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes: > On 28/11/2024 05:18, Tim Rentsch wrote: > >> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes: >> >>> On 26/11/2024 12:29, Tim Rentsch wrote: >>> >>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> On 25/11/2024 18:49, Tim Rentsch wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's funny how nobody seems to care about the speed of >>>>>>> compilers (which can vary by 100:1), but for the generated >>>>>>> programs, the 2:1 speedup you might get by optimising it is >>>>>>> vital! >>>>>> >>>>>> I think most people would rather take this path (these times >>>>>> are actual measured times of a recently written program): >>>>>> >>>>>> compile time: 1 second >>>>>> program run time: ~7 hours >>>>>> >>>>>> than this path (extrapolated using the ratios mentioned above): >>>>>> >>>>>> compile time: 0.01 second >>>>>> program run time: ~14 hours >>>>> >>>>> I'm trying to think of some computationally intensive app that >>>>> would run non-stop for several hours without interaction. >>>> >>>> The conclusion is the same whether the program run time >>>> is 7 hours, 7 minutes, or 7 seconds. >>> >>> Funny you should mention 7 seconds. If I'm working on single >>> source file called sql.c for example, that's how long it takes for >>> gcc to create an unoptimised executable: >>> >>> c:\cx>tm gcc sql.c #250Kloc file >>> TM: 7.38 >> >> Your example illustrates my point. Even 250 thousand lines of >> source takes only a few seconds to compile. Only people nutty >> enough to have single source files over 25,000 lines or so -- >> over 400 pages at 60 lines/page! -- are so obsessed about >> compilation speed. And of course you picked the farthest-most >> outlier as your example, grossly misrepresenting any sort of >> average or typical case. > > It's not atypical for me! [...] I can easily accept that it might be typical for you. My point is that it is not typical for almost everyone else.