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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 17:20:48 +0100 Organization: Frantic Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <8634q9lswv.fsf@example.com> References: <868r044fxr.fsf@example.com> <o0po4jdontahdtsuefikj5eeojavt2lfd6@4ax.com> <86v8375w3b.fsf@example.com> <rrso4j1p2nsv1a3462p2hgl3enkr4i2unm@4ax.com> <868r03mflw.fsf@example.com> <ppmp4jd81vnqkel231vlqnmigmqimmun3n@4ax.com> <864jaqn6s3.fsf@example.com> <h1SdnZDKxfww19D7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> <868r02cjd2.fsf@example.com> <dcucnQVYsJZFmdP7nZ2dnZfqlJ-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <20240522165107.6fca02a7edbb3bea632740c7@127.0.0.1> <IZucndEtuqqWhdP7nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="49185"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:uFiCPBtoxPGDX6JAyhXP9ORR/iA= sha1:7dtvWac5T4ooLtg/h2J9ebj5Ag0= Return-Path: <news@reader6.news.weretis.net> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 73C56229870; Wed, 22 May 2024 12:20:37 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CBE22986E for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 22 May 2024 12:20:35 -0400 (EDT) id 6210A7D11E; Wed, 22 May 2024 16:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423F27D009 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 22 May 2024 16:20:53 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pmx.weretis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D7AE3E898 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 22 May 2024 18:20:49 +0200 (CEST) id 78AD63E861; Wed, 22 May 2024 18:20:49 +0200 (CEST) X-User-ID: eJwFwQkBwDAIA0BLLYFA5TAe/xJ2Z+BludKotrbAhOC7cey5VkCSvkyHKQsM5sTo6W2B9/sB/noQVw== Bytes: 3597 Lines: 26 *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> writes: > Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote: >> On Wed, 22 May 2024 07:44:39 -0700 >> John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> [time for a snip] >>>> He got himself into that pickle by saying God is not an intervening >>>> engineer. The alternative is that every living thing has a soul. >>> >>> There are other alternatives. For example, the soul could be an emergent >>> property of the body, particularly of the brain. If he gave us brains >>> (mentioned above), souls could have come along with that, and perhaps >>> even gradually. Maybe chimps have near-but-not-quite-souls. >>> >> >> How about: God emerges from sapient (or could I say superstitious?) beings? >> > People created gods to make up for a puzzling explanatory gap and assuage > existential angst stemming from self-awareness and knowledge of eventual > death. The explanatory gap has shrunken but the fear of death remains. > Transhumanism, which btw has forefathers in Huxley and Teilhard, is merely > a technonerdish hope of cheating death. > How do you know all that?