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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: architecture, The Design of Design Date: Wed, 08 May 2024 02:27:02 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 21 Message-ID: <865xvou00p.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <v03uh5$gbd5$1@dont-email.me> <c4ee3c91e9a05dee1098a3786edb61df@www.novabbs.org> <v0rhqv$1itj$3@gal.iecc.com> <86r0emt69e.fsf@linuxsc.com> <v0tuqt$613$2@gal.iecc.com> <86a5l2tnyk.fsf@linuxsc.com> <20240507115433.000049ce@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Date: Wed, 08 May 2024 11:27:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="50ffccc4ba84cdaa6c09197c205426c9"; logging-data="4083153"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18K6zEQun1gwAvVprO2HEwLeORQWqGKZWw=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:vo6bh2A2PLHI57mZVVV/W9tABV4= sha1:ZjG+p1Er9Z4y7JRAto53Sc89B5E= Bytes: 2039 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes: > On Mon, 06 May 2024 18:22:59 -0700 > Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote: > >> I don't buy it. An architecture is just a description of system >> behavior, and surely there were descriptions of system behavior >> before System/360. Even in the 1950s companies must have changed >> implementations of a given model while still conforming to its >> earlier description. > > Were they? > My impression is that until S/360 there was no such thing as different > by 100% SW compatible models. I think a counterexample is the LGP-30 (1956) and its successor the LGP-21 (1963). (For reference System/360 and OS/360 were announced in April 1964.) I expect there are other examples but it's hard to get the historical data needed to answer the question. Another example may be the IBM 709 and IBM 7090, both done in the 1950s.