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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!bawden.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.programmer,comp.lang.misc Subject: Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2024 06:04:16 -0400 Organization: ITS Preservation Society Lines: 42 Message-ID: <86bk6lo5en.fsf@williamsburg.bawden.org> References: <uu54la$3su5b$6@dont-email.me> <20240329104716.777@kylheku.com> <uu8p02$uebm$1@dont-email.me> <20240330112105.553@kylheku.com> <uudrfg$2cskm$1@dont-email.me> <87r0fp8lab.fsf@tudado.org> <uuehdj$2hshe$1@dont-email.me> <87wmpg7gpg.fsf@tudado.org> <LISP-20240402085115@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <LISP-20240402091729@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <wrap-20240402092558@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <uui7hf$3gona$1@dont-email.me> <uuj1o5$3pvnq$1@dont-email.me> <87plv6jv1i.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <wwv5xwyifq8.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <if-20240404121825@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <uund4g$ugsb$1@dont-email.me> <uuofjh$19pfd$1@dont-email.me> <uuq0fp$1lcgf$2@dont-email.me> <86frvzo01i.fsf@williamsburg.bawden.org> <uur2us$207b3$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2024 10:04:25 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: bawden.eternal-september.org; posting-host="72606946f2a96288ebf8dc460b1744cf"; logging-data="2869436"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/DRJxIgSsIMVXC3Nz6McIY" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Hw1RhONoP25sw4t2B8ECZDdI9ik= sha1:NrojolvO6hG2tu9uOlrbPU9XE4U= Bytes: 3589 Muttley@dastardlyhq.com writes: On Fri, 05 Apr 2024 19:35:37 -0400 Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> wrote: ... >I.e., she would allow herself to use spaces and newlines, and just ITYM "he" would allow HIMself. My practice when I am writing and I need a generic pronoun is to flip a coin to decide whether I am going to use "she" or "he". On this occasion the coin determined that I was going to write "she". I started doing this many years ago after some author, in his book's introduction, offered as a defense of using exclusively male pronouns in the rest of his book the fact that he had just used female pronouns in the previous paragraph, and "the reader will have found this jarring". Well I hadn't actually noticed that he had done that, and I had to go back and check to be sure he had. The book in question was a couple decades old at that time, so I took my failure to notice what the author thought I would find jarring as evidence that the language had evolved to the point where a occasional generic "she" would not offend a reasonable reader. So for years I've used "she" about 50% of the time, and nobody has _ever_ objected. Until today... Lets give the woke BS a miss, 95% of developers are men. It doesn't give you any brownie points, just makes you look a try-hard ass. It doesn't matter to me what percentage of developers are male. As long as there are _some_ female developers, it is possible that the developer in a hypothetical situation might be female, so it seems fair to occasionally use "she". If acknowledging the existence of female developers makes you uncomfortable, you're just going to have to learn to deal with that yourself. I'm not going to adjust my language to cater to your insecurities. - Alan