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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: elephant burials Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 10:58:51 +0000 Organization: Frantic Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <86edc67aj8.fsf@example.com> References: <d47ce38edfb4adf9a834397ea51832cd@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="6177"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:nTs9Hs9AGNJ/xcMfBxXHdEdWW40= sha1:1NIp04GnpHX/PO6g3NOpGe/V9Xw= Return-Path: <news@reader6.news.weretis.net> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id F02A922976C; Tue, 19 Mar 2024 06:55:20 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D240B229758 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Tue, 19 Mar 2024 06:55:18 -0400 (EDT) id 25B305DD3F; Tue, 19 Mar 2024 10:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0531D5DC6E for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 19 Mar 2024 10:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pmx.weretis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 692833E955 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 19 Mar 2024 11:58:52 +0100 (CET) id 046AD3E866; Tue, 19 Mar 2024 11:58:52 +0100 (CET) X-User-ID: eJwFwQEBACAIA7BK4vnROIjSP4IbIVOFi3I2O2e+Aw6uB8TVgJ9eUqdZ2b6MfIjyybULUx8YhhCh Bytes: 2939 Lines: 19 b.schafer@ed.ac.uk (Burkhard) writes: > some time ago, Martin, I and a few others discussed burials, and the > way humans think about and relate to dead ancestors. > > One question in this context was if similar behaviour can be found in > other animals. Here's a short paper on a recently discovered "elephant > graveyard" - carefully argued I'd say, without overegging the evidence > https://theconversation.com/elephant-calves-have-been-found-buried-what-does-that-mean-225409? > > and here the academic paper it's based on > https://threatenedtaxa.org/index.php/JoTT/article/view/8826 There might be an evolutionary advantage in burying dead, as it doesn't assist the enemies of the elephant by giving them an easy meal. Lions can probably smell a corps from some distance if it isn't buried. I searched back for discussions about burial and found a rather hostile one about Homo naledi.